pocketnow.com Compares QVGA and VGA Screens

[Cybrid]

Originally Posted by Dyvim

And what's so wrong about marrying that pretty blond?

Sure. Discuss your long range 401k plans with her.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

You can take your arguments against the iPhone and invert them depending on your perspective: Multifunctionality in Windows Mobile? Sure, but that came at the expense of ease of use. One thing that continues to amaze me about the iPhone (and which WM has never worked out) is the tight integration of all the apps.

Ok. Provide some real life examples. I've seen the iPhone for less than 30 min. Maybe I missed how I had to press home to get to another app.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

It's super easy to email a photo or set it as your wallpaper or assign it to a contact.

Examples please.. I've found that super easy on my Touch.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

Google Maps integrates really well with the Contacts app, etc.

You mean like how PI has a right click to "find on google maps"? button. OMG!

Originally Posted by Dyvim

These simple no-brainer operations require complex series of taps in WM using the built-in apps.

Examples please.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

The WM mail program cannot even render html emails properly or show photo attachments inline.

insurmountable? no...even surpassable ?

Originally Posted by Dyvim

Yes, the iPhone has a limited feature set compared to WM. But what it does, it does really well. WM is a jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

Yessum. iPhone is master of what trade specifically?

Originally Posted by Dyvim

Each will appeal to different users.

Yes. You are very right there.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

And BT on my e830? Sure it has more profiles than my iPhone, but I could never really get any of them to work without pulling my hair out.

Never had that much trouble meself. Except for my Toshiba Hopbit.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

And what advantages does the iPhone have over the e830 ... How about:

my comments in italics
phone Yes, insurmountable? no
EDGE The cellular equivalent of dialup?
Brag when you have HSPA or EVDO
802.11g WiFi The advantage of which over 802.11b on a mobile device is? You don't slow the rest of the network. I'm sure that's important to you on the iPhone.
camera Ok. Reserved comment for later.

much better media player (even with half the pixels)Ok. Reserved comments
higher color resolution screen "
higher color resolution screen" See my previous post on color in Win Ce and why the 18 bit color screen is misleading. Are you getting all the color you paid for?

smaller form factorOk. conceded .
tougher form factor (glass screen is scratch resistant and awesome)Ok. conceded .

infinitely better built-in apps Examples please
support from the manufacturer- The price of your ROM upgrade? Toshiba did WM2003SE for free. Apple take you for $20 yet?
rent movies, no more struggling to convert DVDs to playback on your mobile device.
Compare apples to pinecones and get pineapples?
A: Download a movie, advantage neither.
B: Convert a DVD movie,
advantage neither.

oh and it's actually available for purchase new.Shiny! Gotcha, . I'll concede that one too.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

To be fair you need to at least compare it to a fellow phone device like the Universal or better yet one of the new VGA phone devices coming out.

You'd lose. Run your own comparisons of a HTC Touch, O2 Flame vs. the iPhone.

My HTC Touch has a replaceable battery. Smaller form factor. An 8Gb micro SD card. 2Mp. camera and a cellular connection faster than 200kbps.
My new BT GPS will be arriving soon. I can map without needing cell connectivity. Kinda important out in the bush.

O2 Flame has TV Out, VGA, USB host? but is big.

[Cybrid]

Originally Posted by Dyvim

And what's so wrong about marrying that pretty blond?

Sure. Discuss your long range 401k plans with her.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

You can take your arguments against the iPhone and invert them depending on your perspective: Multifunctionality in Windows Mobile? Sure, but that came at the expense of ease of use. One thing that continues to amaze me about the iPhone (and which WM has never worked out) is the tight integration of all the apps.

Ok. Provide some real life examples. I've seen the iPhone for less than 30 min. Maybe I missed how I had to press home to get to another app.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

It's super easy to email a photo or set it as your wallpaper or assign it to a contact.

Examples please.. I've found that super easy on my Touch.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

Google Maps integrates really well with the Contacts app, etc.

You mean like how PI has a right click to "find on google maps"? button. OMG!

Originally Posted by Dyvim

These simple no-brainer operations require complex series of taps in WM using the built-in apps.

Examples please.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

The WM mail program cannot even render html emails properly or show photo attachments inline.

insurmountable? no...even surpassable ?

Originally Posted by Dyvim

Yes, the iPhone has a limited feature set compared to WM. But what it does, it does really well. WM is a jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

Yessum. iPhone is master of what trade specifically?

Originally Posted by Dyvim

Each will appeal to different users.

Yes. You are very right there.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

And BT on my e830? Sure it has more profiles than my iPhone, but I could never really get any of them to work without pulling my hair out.

Never had that much trouble meself. Except for my Toshiba Hopbit.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

And what advantages does the iPhone have over the e830 ... How about:

my comments in italics
phone Yes, insurmountable? no
EDGE The cellular equivalent of dialup?
Brag when you have HSPA or EVDO
802.11g WiFi The advantage of which over 802.11b on a mobile device is? You don't slow the rest of the network. I'm sure that's important to you on the iPhone.
camera Ok. Reserved comment for later.

much better media player (even with half the pixels)Ok. Reserved comments
higher color resolution screen "
higher color resolution screen" See my previous post on color in Win Ce and why the 18 bit color screen is misleading. Are you getting all the color you paid for?

smaller form factorOk. conceded .
tougher form factor (glass screen is scratch resistant and awesome)Ok. conceded .

infinitely better built-in apps Examples please
support from the manufacturer- The price of your ROM upgrade? Toshiba did WM2003SE for free. Apple take you for $20 yet?
rent movies, no more struggling to convert DVDs to playback on your mobile device.
Compare apples to pinecones and get pineapples?
A: Download a movie, advantage neither.
B: Convert a DVD movie,
advantage neither.

oh and it's actually available for purchase new.Shiny! Gotcha, . I'll concede that one too.

Originally Posted by Dyvim

To be fair you need to at least compare it to a fellow phone device like the Universal or better yet one of the new VGA phone devices coming out.

You'd lose. Run your own comparisons of a HTC Touch, O2 Flame vs. the iPhone.

My HTC Touch has a replaceable battery. Smaller form factor. An 8Gb micro SD card. 2Mp. camera and a cellular connection faster than 200kbps.
My new BT GPS will be arriving soon. I can map without needing cell connectivity. Kinda important out in the bush.

O2 Flame has TV Out, VGA, USB host? but is big.

[Dyvim]

Whatever, Cybrid ... yawn... :roll:

And yes, you seem to have missed quite a few things about the iPhone ... (as have many other Windows Mobile fans who are too quick to dismiss anything that is not Windows Mobile), but this time I'll skip on the many opportunities to enlighten you and leave it to someone else with more patience.

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by Dyvim

Whatever, Cybrid ... yawn... :roll:

And yes, you seem to have missed quite a few things about the iPhone ... (as have many other Windows Mobile fans who are too quick to dismiss anything that is not Windows Mobile), but this time I'll skip on the many opportunities to enlighten you and leave it to someone else with more patience.

AMEN! That is my problem with many posts similar to Cybrid on this website. It is obvious the iPHONE is innovative in many ways, yet many on this site are TOO die hard to WM to look around & will NOT stop defending WM, like they work for Microsoft or something? The iPHONE's sales prove your original post, Dyvim, to which I agree 100%. I've been on with a PDA since the Palm Pilot, followed by numerous Jornada's, iPAQ's, converged devices, etc. None have been as easy to set up as the Blackberry on email &/or the iPHONE on what it does well, which is music, phone, email, & internet. Cybrid's attitude is obviously similar to the development teams at MS & Palm, which is why they are struggling behind Apple & Blackberry, even though they were 1st in the game. WM is NOT as easy to use as the iPHONE for most of America.

[Cybrid]

Originally Posted by Dyvim

Whatever, Cybrid ... yawn... :roll:

Sure. It's off topic anyway.

Originally Posted by Mikey

...Attitude...

Attitude? No, Merely a viewpoint. Not necessarily the right one... simply having played with one for 30 min was enough to convince me that it wasn't what best satified my needs. If it does it for you... then best wishes. The flaws I find in it personally are too many to ignore. Too many compromises for little gain. I'd end up carrying a PPC to compensate. Same with a blackberry too btw. Again Off topic.

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by Cybrid

Sure. It's off topic anyway.

Attitude? No, Merely a viewpoint. Not necessarily the right one... simply having played with one for 30 min was enough to convince me that it wasn't what best satified my needs. If it does it for you... then best wishes. The flaws I find in it personally are too many to ignore. Too many compromises for little gain. I'd end up carrying a PPC to compensate. Same with a blackberry too btw. Again Off topic.

Cybrid, do you really think an iPHONE has not been truly innovative? What Pocket PC competes with it that can be bought new today for $300? Can the average college grad set up a Pocket PC on their wireless network at home? The iPHONE is easier in many areas. My point is that WM & Palm would be smart to learn from the strengths Apple has instead of attacking the weaknesses. As I read your post, it appears you think WM is superior in every way to the iPHONE which seems awful one sided.

[Cybrid]

Mikey,
Rather than hijack this thread. Lets continue this conversation here:
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/foru...=450048#450048
Dyvim, and anyone else interested in seeing how an iPhone isn't "so easy to use"?

[Cybrid]

Just remember Dyvim, "flatbed scanner".

[Menneisyys]

Guys and gals, I’ve just posted a HUGE roundup & quick review of i-mate’s all four new devices to http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/foru...c.php?p=450156

[davea0511]

I must agree with those comments that say that this comparison is absolutely meaningless for 3.5" and larger screens. The smaller text is absolutely useless on 2.8" and smaller screens, VGA or QGA.

But you move up to 3.5" or larger, that 25% increase in font size is enough to make small text which QGA can't do well very useful on VGA devices.

It also seems like there's always been a strong inclination by some to want to shrink screens to make devices smaller despite the fact that often there's tons of potential screen real-estate wasted between the screen and the device edges. This is pure lunacy imnsho (no offense).

Let's start stretching the screen to the device edges so we can have 3.5" and larger screens on small devices, where VGA makes a huge difference, not recognized in this comparison of 2.8" screens. Comparisons like this miss the picture entirely and thwart progress. Instead of saying, "thptpt! no good." we should demand that screens be stretched to device edges so VGA can provide some serious benefit.