07-12-2008, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritzly
I do not have a problem recharging my phone every night so I am not getting in this part of the debate but I have a Diamond and even with the latest ROM is very slow indeed. Also I do not think that you should disable Touch Flo to make it faster; HTC advertise the product with this feature and its impact on performances is something that they should have considered. I also use pocket Informant, a must IMO, and this further decrease performances.
Until HTC fixes issues I will not buy another phone frm them, period.
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I'm looking to buy a Touch this coming week and will also want to use Pocket Informant.When we say 'slow' here, how long does it take to go from, say, the Home screen into PI when you tap on the PI application icon ? (I currently use a Treo 500V and that take about 3-4 seconds.... |
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07-12-2008, 09:13 PM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 127
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Originally Posted by eagle63
But is it sluggish? If it's as slow as most WM devices (or worse?) as the reviewer seemed to imply then I don't really care how many great features it has.
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When first shipped the Diamond was slow(ish), since then there have been updates released by HTC. Add to that the XDA developer's community and there have been several versions of improved ROMs available over just the last month that have greatly improved several areas of the Diamond, not just its speed. When saying "improved" I mean making changes to apps, hardware code, UI design etc. This means people can tailor their Diamond, or any WM device, to fit them and how they work/play specifically.
As I said before, no device is perfect. The iPhone is too big for what I want and lacks Enterprise features that are standard on WM devices. The Blackberry has several limitations, one being that my mail goes to a NOC in Canada and is at the mercy of RIM (which has had more donwtime than our Exchange 2007 environment).
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07-12-2008, 09:15 PM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 127
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Originally Posted by geordieboy
I'm looking to buy a Touch this coming week and will also want to use Pocket Informant.When we say 'slow' here, how long does it take to go from, say, the Home screen into PI when you tap on the PI application icon ? (I currently use a Treo 500V and that take about 3-4 seconds....
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07-12-2008, 10:44 PM
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Neophyte
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Originally Posted by Mr. PPC
Touch or Touch Diamond?
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07-14-2008, 06:02 PM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 151
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I'm struck with horror as i witness here how many of you have been won over to the 'dark side' of Mr Jobs... Since when are products of both camps comparable anyway?
# HTC device's/WM slow and sluggish? So is iPhone (i've seen many)...
# Choice of devices with Apple?: 2... Versus WM; too many to count
# Hype? Exactly!! That's exactly what Apple creates: a hype.... And now HTC gets blamed for doing the same??? I don't get that...
# Compatibity with so many sub-systems: WM 10 out of 10, iPhone: much worse...
# I saw someone mention that at the time of the iPhone introduction there was no match in the WM camp... Not true: O2 XDA Flame...
With the sheer versatility of the WM platform in hardware and software, i simply cannot imagine how any well thinking person cannot find a device of his flavour that 'lives up to the hype'...
I use Windows PC's, so i guess that's just one, and more than enough, reason NOT to get an Apple device...
And so the bashing of M$ and WM by the Apple fanboys goes on and on... 
You know; that smells just like Linux fanboys bashing the M$ company...
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07-14-2008, 06:43 PM
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Thinker
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 322
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Originally Posted by Jason Dunn
Slick interfaces and warm fuzzies last for the first few days - any reviewer worth his salt looks past that and looks at the deeper issues, like does the device perform well at the tasks it was designed for. I'm not knocking the iPhone, but the Touch Diamond is a much better device than this reviewer makes it out to be.
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That's true, but while many portray the iPhone as being all show and no go, its interface advantages are not due to its pizazz but rather because it's responsive and effective (ie navigation is quick and easy and screen-space is efficiently used).
Frankly, I think all this complaining about the iPhone getting better reviews is silly. Fluff reviews are always hit and miss when it comes to details, especially for consumer devices. And in this case, the iPhone and Diamond reviews were written by two different people, so their emphasis is obviously going to differ.
Furthermore, I don't understand why Jason thinks the Diamond was unfairly picked on for poor battery life. Regarding the Diamond, he wrote that they "heavily criticize the battery life for not lasting through heavy use over a weekend" while the iPhone got a better rating despite its users needing "to charge the device every other day even with moderate use". Jason characterized it with his question "So why is one product slammed and one product just barely criticized? It's like everyone is terrified to criticize the iPhone. Ridiculous"
Reading the article, I got a different impression. Both reviews mentioned battery life as a negative. On the iPhone, Chris Green wrote:
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A bigger issue is that of battery life. We expect the larger battery to yield similar performance to the 2G iPhone - ie you'll probably need to charge it at least every other day even with moderate data use - but we'll confirm this when we've been able to test the the phone more extensively.
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I interpreted that as a complaint (the context being that he had just complained that the plastic case doesn't feel as solid as the old metal one). On the Diamond, Tim Danton wrote:
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We hesitated a little before placing battery life in the Bad section.
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That doesn't seem like a slam to me. They even qualified why they decided to put it in the "bad" section:
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the type of person who's going to opt for the Touch Diamond isn't the sort of person who also wants to hold back on what they do of a weekend just so they can eke out a bit more battery. And for those people, the life could easily disappear during that time.
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So in the articles, the iPhone battery life is described as a bigger issue while the Diamond battery life is described as being minor enough that they were hesitant to list it in the bad section. I'd say that the 2 star rating for the Diamond was due to their other criticisms of it.
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07-14-2008, 06:47 PM
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Pontificator
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by moaske
# HTC device's/WM slow and sluggish? So is iPhone (i've seen many)...
# I saw someone mention that at the time of the iPhone introduction there was no match in the WM camp... Not true: O2 XDA Flame...
With the sheer versatility of the WM platform in hardware and software, i simply cannot imagine how any well thinking person cannot find a device of his flavour that 'lives up to the hype'...
I use Windows PC's, so i guess that's just one, and more than enough, reason NOT to get an Apple device...
And so the bashing of M$ and WM by the Apple fanboys goes on and on...
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Blindly bashing Apple, simply because it's Apple is no better than those who would bash MS and it's platforms simply because it's MS. Perhaps you might want to re-read your post and consider this.
Not having used an iPhone, I can't comment directly, but I have used an Ipod Touch and don't find it sluggish. It particularly excels in multimedia and Internet Applications. If those are primary uses for your phone (besides it being a phone) it probably IS the right choice instead of Windows Mobile. There is no right or wrong, and it's gets tiring to read both camps seeming to declare "a winner" over and over, when the "winner" is what ever device best meets the end-users needs.
As for the XDA Flame, I'm sure it's a decent device, but lacking North American cell and 3G bands makes it a non-starter for many of us -- not to mention it's still impossible to match the iPhones 16 GB of onboard memory. The best you can do is 10 GB, with an 8 GB microSD card. Also, no onboard GPS on the Flame. Oh, and the Flame also is HUGE compared to the iPhone, despite it's weaker feature set.
From a hardware perspecitive I really think Apple provides the best feature/performance/size device right now. I think WM still provides features that I find important and aren't available on Apple, which makes WM a better choice for me right now. But, I won't go so far as to say those that chose the iPhone are simply sheep an are buying into the hype. The iPhone 3G is a darn fine device and meets the needs of a large percentage of the population. The sooner MS and it's partners start addressing the hardware differnce the better, in my mind. |
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07-14-2008, 11:06 PM
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Executive Editor
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by Mr. PPC
Add to that the XDA developer's community and there have been several versions of improved ROMs available over just the last month that have greatly improved several areas of the Diamond, not just its speed.
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To be fair, the number of people willing to go the warez* route is pretty small in the grand scheme of things - I certainly would never advocate that someone download and install an illegitimate OS to fix problems that HTC should fix themselves. HTC need to fix this problems themselves.
(*and yes, that's what taking someone else's software, altering it, and distributing it without permission is)
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07-15-2008, 12:52 AM
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HTC Diamond use in Colombia
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Originally Posted by Ed@Brighthand
I'm using the Diamond as my primary device right now, and I'm mostly satisfied with it.
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I had own almost all of the HP line of pocketpc's, Eten's (which are excellent), lately the iPhone 8Gb (it's my primary phone number) and since last week the HTC Diamond. I must say it's a very nice piece of equipment, very reliable compare with the HTC Touch Cruise witch it's a pain in the ass!. The Diamond it's a step ahead, HTC have done a nice work with TouchFlo something that Microsoft never tougth about it until Apple came with the iPhone OS. So, iPhone is a good machine but very limited, specially in the software side, mostly is good for games, music and goodies but it's a lousy machine when it comes to do business tasks. The Diamond has all the software you need for business, good comm software, mail services, chatting, etc. The only fault on Diamond's it's the ****ty battery, it's a pain in the butt... Overall I think it's a hell of a nice machine and HTC at least is going in the right direction. |
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07-15-2008, 01:07 AM
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Contributing Editor
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by moaske
I'm struck with horror as i witness here how many of you have been won over to the 'dark side' of Mr Jobs... Since when are products of both camps comparable anyway?
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Since both are "smart phones" that handle both phone and PDA tasks? And why is Apple the "dark side"? What does that make Linux-based phones, if I may ask?
In my opinion, this whole binary thought process is really simplistic. "X sucks and Y is good and nothing else is the truth." The simple fact is that each platform has its advantages and disadvantages. I know it's human psychology to want to pick one and say it's superior, but nothing is as simple as that. I'm looking forward to Android's release; if for no other reason, now it won't be an "X vs. Y" approach as Palm vs. WM was (and now WM vs. iPhone).
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