05-08-2008, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by moaske
Doesn't anyone see that HTC has actually fixed a major problem here? (and also making devices smaller in the process, since only one connector services all needs!). I applaud them for the ExtUSB jack, and their innovative phones which i'll keep using for many years to come (that also goes for my trusted Trinity which is my backup).
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If I could get Ultimate Ears, or really any good pair of headphones with an ExtUSB jack, then sure, I'd applaud HTC. But I can't. The entire audio industry, from MP3 players to headphones to cables, is all based around the 3.5mm headphone jack. HTC is off doing their own thing, and while it might be technically superior in some ways, that doesn't make it practical.
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05-08-2008, 10:37 PM
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Wait, what?? You mean people actually listen to music on watch video on a windows mobile? Personally I don't have a spare week for the time it takes to copy a media file over active sync.
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Well, that's one of the reasons why memory cards are useful - you can pull them out, fill them up with media, and pop them back into your device. I've heard that the Diamond mounts as a mass storage device, so you can drag and drop directly to it, bypassing the slow-as-ever ActiveSync/WMDC.
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05-08-2008, 10:52 PM
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It has 900mAh battery. That has to be a concern with a VGA display...
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Yeah, I'd have thought so as well, but apparently they've done some great power saving things, and Windows Mobile 6.1 has improved battery life management. I guess we'll see... 
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05-08-2008, 11:45 PM
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I pretty much agree with Jeff. The Diamond is very attractive to me at first glance, but these issues he brings up are collectively deal-killers for me.
I have more than 4 GB of my 8 GB microSD card filled on my Touch already. I could get by with 4 GB if I had to, but why should I have to? There is no way I would buy a device that did not have either an expansion slot or at least 16 GB of flash built-in. This is a deal-breaker for me.
I guess we'll have to wait and see how the battery performs in the real world, but that size really worries me. That is one of the things that bothers me the most about my Touch. I went from an HP 2210 that only needed charging every four or five days to the Touch that just barely makes it from wake-up (I charge every night) to bed each day. Sometimes, it's really pushing it by evening. I get by with the way it is now, but I really couldn't live with less. This one could be a deal-breaker depending on whether the new OS and CPU really cut the power usage as much as they'd like us to believe.
I take the point of some folks who find the extUSB useful. If I used my phone the way some of you do, I'd probably like it too. But I don't. The most common time that I listen to music on my WM device is when I'm traveling... usually on long flights. I love being able to take along my favorite set of ultra-comfortable earbuds, plug them into my PPC for music, then into the airplane seat for the movies. Now, with my Touch (although I really like it in most ways), I have to carry along this whole set of adapters, which fills up my carry-on space and just gives me three more small pieces to drop on the floor and lose. This isn't a deal-breaker for me, but I would rather go back to a standard audio jack.
I don't know why everyone is so down on the 2.8" screen. I thought that would be an issue for me when I went from the 3.5" 2210 to the Touch, but now I love this screen size. This isn't a laptop replacement for me; it's a smartphone. I love how small the Touch is and how unobtrusively is sits in my pocket or hangs on my belt. The smaller screen looks dramatically more sharp and crisp than a larger screen of the same resolution (of course). Putting a VGA screen on this size would finally give you magazine quality images. I know I used to say, 'the bigger the better' about screens, but I was wrong.
Anyway, it won't matter to me for a long time. I'm with Alltel and they're never early about adopting cool new phones. (They only got the Touch about 6 months ago.) By the time the Diamond makes it to Alltel in a CDMA model, it'll probably have 16 GB of flash and a better battery. (I think the single power/audio connector is here to stay.) I could definitely see moving to this phone if they did that.
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05-09-2008, 12:14 AM
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I don't know why everyone is so down on the 2.8" screen. I thought that would be an issue for me when I went from the 3.5" 2210 to the Touch, but now I love this screen size.
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the problem was HTC hyping about May 6, 2008 then u get disappointed! iphone, X1, and diamond are about the same size, but iphone got 3.5" screen and X1 got 3.0" WVGA, and this diamond only got 2.8" VGA?? |
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05-09-2008, 12:17 AM
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I've heard that the Diamond mounts as a mass storage device, so you can drag and drop directly to it, bypassing the slow-as-ever ActiveSync/WMDC.
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The Samsung SGH-i300 had mass storage support. I'm surprised more Windows Mobile phones don't support it.
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05-09-2008, 12:20 AM
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I'm surprised more Windows Mobile phones don't support it.
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Yeah, I agree - I think it should be a standard feature...it would solve a lot of problems.
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05-09-2008, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bearxor
This is why I still have my almost two year old Treo 700wx. Palm took the time to really work on Windows Mobile for the phone and it shows. The device is faster than any HTC device I've used in the last two years, which includes the Tilt, Mogul and Touch, even though on paper the specs are in HTC's favor in every contest. It just works without the need to spend hours setting the phone up or worrying about flashing ROMS and such.
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I couldn't agree more. My last 3 WM devices have been: PPC-6700, Treo 700wx, HTC Touch. (in that order) The Treo is far and away the most stable of the 3, and also the fastest. I love my Touch and wouldn't go back to the Treo 700, but that's mainly because of the sexy sleek hardware. It has some show-stopper level defects that HTC should be thoroughly embarrassed by. The funny thing is, I read lots of reviews of the Touch before I got it that raved about how fast it was. If you compare it to other HTC devices, then yeah - it was faster. But not compared to the Treo 700wx/750.
Like you, I have very little faith that HTC knows how to write software. My own experience with 2 of their devices has made this painfully obvious. Hopefully the Diamond will be stable, but I have my doubts. If only HTC could design the hardware and have Palm write the software layer.... |
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05-09-2008, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by moaske
Today's consumers are spoiled too much...  I applaud them for the ExtUSB jack, and their innovative phones which i'll keep using for many years to come (that also goes for my trusted Trinity which is my backup). |
Question: is this going to be like the HTC Touch, where the jack is sort of a modified mini-USB? If so, then I don't get it. I have no problem with making the mini-USB be the universal interface for charging, syncing, and audio as long as the actual port on the device itself is mini-USB, not that ridiculous hybrid thing on the Touch which forces you to always have an adapter plugged in. |
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05-09-2008, 01:26 AM
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I agree with Jeff that the Diamond is not for me nor him...
However, as a "touch" replacement, I think it's got the correct mix.
Alot of "normal" users won't ever change the microSD card that's in the touch anyways, so having 4GB built in is not much of a problem for everyday users...
I'm sure that HTC will come out with different versions based on the core features that the Diamond has, just look at all the touch derivatives and the fact that the Mogul shares the core technology that the touch does. I'm looking forward to power-user version using the reference hardware that the diamond is constructed on.
Certain aspects of the Diamond impresses me, but not enough that I'd get one... but since it's the Touch's replacement, I'm really looking forward to the Mogul's replacement.
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