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Old 07-12-2003, 10:20 PM
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Default ClearType iPAQ problem after update

Hi, I recently updated my iPAQ 3630 to the latest ROM, 2.20 and EUU 3.0.
(PocketPC 2002).

After that when I enabled ClearType it's all fuzzy / blurred and has
coloured shadows around fonts.

Is anyone recognizing these symptoms? Any fix for this?

Thanks.
 
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Old 07-13-2003, 01:19 AM
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Default Re: ClearType iPAQ problem after update

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Hi, I recently updated my iPAQ 3630 to the latest ROM, 2.20 and EUU 3.0.
(PocketPC 2002).

After that when I enabled ClearType it's all fuzzy / blurred and has
coloured shadows around fonts.

Is anyone recognizing these symptoms? Any fix for this?

Thanks.
Isn't that what ClearType is supposed to do, at least that's what it does on my laptop (at least the shadows and all)?
 
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Old 07-13-2003, 02:06 AM
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No, you don't understand. :cry: ClearType was fine before the upgrade. It's severly messed up now, something like my iPAQ does it in the wrong "direction", it's somehow misaligned. Hard to describe with words, is there any way to take screenshots on Pocket PC?
 
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Old 07-13-2003, 02:37 AM
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No, you don't understand. :cry: ClearType was fine before the upgrade. It's severly messed up now, something like my iPAQ does it in the wrong "direction", it's somehow misaligned. Hard to describe with words, is there any way to take screenshots on Pocket PC?
Yeah, there's programs out there.
 
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Old 07-13-2003, 03:55 AM
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Yeah, there's programs out there.
Wow, what an incredibly helpful post that was. :roll:

You might want to check out this thread for info on a freeware screenshot program and some other alternatives.

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Old 07-13-2003, 04:29 AM
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alekz: do you mean the ClearType looks "thicker" and "fuzzier"? If so, that's the adjustment Compaq made a few years ago to "solve" the problem of the 3630 showing colors in its ClearType font. I'm pretty sure that behavior is not adjustable. If it's something else, please describe it.

Quite frankly, the 3630 doesn't have the hardware to do ClearType correctly. Even the old version was terrible compared to most newer Pocket PCs -- you should have always had slight color shadows.

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Yeah, there's programs out there.
Wow, what an incredibly helpful post that was. :roll:

You might want to check out this thread for info on a freeware screenshot program and some other alternatives.

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You try doing anything on a limited 14.4k connection, and you wouldn't have wanted to search either :roll:
 
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Old 07-13-2003, 10:36 AM
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I will try the programs and see if I can capture the effect.
 
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Old 07-13-2003, 11:02 AM
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Ok, I took a screenshot with ClearType on.

Screenshot

The point I'm trying to make is that the colored shadows around the text where not there in my previous ROM version (PPC2002 CD-ROM).

I've also found some old Google Groups posts with people who have the same problem, apperantly it's still so, and I don't expect HP/Compaq to help.
 
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Old 07-14-2003, 12:33 PM
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Ok, I took a screenshot with ClearType on.

Screenshot

The point I'm trying to make is that the colored shadows around the text where not there in my previous ROM version (PPC2002 CD-ROM).

I've also found some old Google Groups posts with people who have the same problem, apperantly it's still so, and I don't expect HP/Compaq to help.
Hmm. A screenshot of a cleartype text looks fine if it is magnified, and it looks different on different monitors (LCD with RGB or BGR subpixel order, or a CRT...) if it is not magnified.

Cleartype uses the LCD display's subpixels to achieve the smoothing effect, but if the display's Red, Green and Blue subpixels are not in the right position (the cleartype engine is not tuned to the display correctly), then the text rendered by the cleartype engine looks blurry and awful. If you have Windows XP, an LCD display, and cleartype turned on, you can check out the difference between the outlook of an un-optimized and optimized cleartype text:

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/...pe/tuner/2.htm

The real difference between the two will hardly be seen on a CRT display.

Also, cleartype not works on rotated screens, where subpixels are not next to each other in a row, but aligned vertically.

If I know well, even 3970 and 5455 iPAQ screens were not optimized for displaying cleartype correctly (they use a 320x240 screen rotated 90 degrees to be 240x320), that's why it looks bad for you. Cleartype works fine on 2210 only.

But still, with a rotated screen, some sort of cleartype effect can be reached, but unfortunatelly PPC2002 does not allow us to tune the cleartype settings (unlike windows xp), so you can't do anything about it.
 
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