Video playback on Palms vs. Pocket PCs

[roberto_torres]

The main treat now for PPC is not phones or convergence devices like the ipod, it is the once underpowerd Palm OS.

Just look at this review http://www.brighthand.com/article/Zire_71_review

The Zire runs movies at 320x320 in 165 fps with a 144 Mhz processor. :evil: and even has a cammera.

My Ipaq 1910 can barely run movies at 20 fps at 320 x 240 with 200 Mhz processor :cry:

Microsoft should do something to improove multimedia or Palm OS is going to win the race :devilboy:

[roberto_torres]

The main treat now for PPC is not phones or convergence devices like the ipod, it is the once underpowerd Palm OS.

Just look at this review http://www.brighthand.com/article/Zire_71_review

The Zire runs movies at 320x320 in 165 fps with a 144 Mhz processor. :evil: and even has a cammera.

My Ipaq 1910 can barely run movies at 20 fps at 320 x 240 with 200 Mhz processor :cry:

Microsoft should do something to improove multimedia or Palm OS is going to win the race :devilboy:

[TBone]

The Zire runs movies at 320x320 in 165 fps with a 144 Mhz processor. and even has a cammera.

Not bloody likely. Why does this myth keep sticking around? Yes, the PalmOS can play movies at 165 fps, if you disable the audio stream completely and flip through the frames as fast as possible. My Maestro can do the same, but I've got this crazy problem: I DON'T WATCH MOVIES AT 165 FPS WITH NO SOUND. And until Palm has a real file system, it's a pain in the ass converting anything I want to watch into Kinoma and then Hotsyncing it over to an SD card.

No thank you. Pocket PC is still the only real choice for multimedia, as I believe the article you reference at the Gadgeteer points out. I'd choose my arguments a little better next time.

[dh]

Originally Posted by TBone

Not bloody likely. Why does this myth keep sticking around? Yes, the PalmOS can play movies at 165 fps, if you disable the audio stream completely and flip through the frames as fast as possible. My Maestro can do the same, but I've got this crazy problem: I DON'T WATCH MOVIES AT 165 FPS WITH NO SOUND. And until Palm has a real file system, it's a pain in the ass converting anything I want to watch into Kinoma and then Hotsyncing it over to an SD card.

No thank you. Pocket PC is still the only real choice for multimedia, as I believe the article you reference at the Gadgeteer points out. I'd choose my arguments a little better next time.

With my Axim, 1GB CF card and PocketMVP I have a great multimedia device. At any time I can carry 3 full length movies and a ton of music in ogg format. I also have an SD card for even more stuff.

PocketMVP is a fantastic movie player, DivX movies play really well in full screen mode, try to do that on a little square screen.

Sorry guys, Palm still make a nice little organiser, but that's about it. The only sensible way to watch video in PalmOS is with Sony. Anyone want to buy a 1GB MemoryStick?

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by roberto_torres

My Ipaq 1910 can barely run movies at 20 fps at 320 x 240 with 200 Mhz processor :cry:

This completely depends on the player though, and let me just say tha a certain player you're familiar with is going to get much, much better in terms of performance in a few months. Trust me on that. :mrgreen:

[spursdude]

Originally Posted by Jason Dunn

This completely depends on the player though, and let me just say tha a certain player you're familiar with is going to get much, much better in terms of performance in a few months. Trust me on that. :mrgreen:

Aggghhh Jason... does this WMP9 for the PPC will be fantastic? Of course you probably won't be able to say anything....

[xoiph]

Windows Media Player 9? I was thinking more along the lines of Pocket TV.

[guinness]

I can get a good 20+ fps @ full-screen with Divx movies using Pocket MVP. Mpeg movies aren't bad either, but Divx files are usually smaller. I would be interested in how WMP 9 video codecs would play out on PPC, they've done some pretty nifty stuff with them on the desktop, like ESPN Motion, pretty cool use, IMO.

[lonesniper]

I might be wrong as I never listened in Biology or could understand my Television Engineering course, but doesn't the eye see fluid motion video at 24fps. We have something called persistance of vision. And that is the reason why TV and film is 25fps, just enough so we don't see the flicker. Cats don't have persistance of vision so when they stare at the TV they are not watching "Friends" they are watching the flashing lights.

Anyway PalmOS will never be any good for video until it plays AVI and WMV and MPG files with out having to do lots of different steps reencoding it. I wish PalmOS or Sony Clie's could view .WMV files, that would be great for me and real compition to PPC. I have +20GB of TV Shows in WMV format and growing each day. I bet people can't say that of Kinoma format files.

[Duncan]

This completely depends on the player though, and let me just say tha a certain player you're familiar with is going to get much, much better in terms of performance in a few months. Trust me on that.

What's that creaking sound? I believe it's an NDA stretching almost to breaking point...! :lol:

[Nellwaskilled]

Zire 71 is using Kinoma, which uses Cinepak Codec, while most PPC fps are stated using .mpeg codec. You should check out what that high FPS look like in Kinoma (not to mention sound quality) before actually wanting it.

Cinepak and .mpeg have a very different different compression scheme, hence CPU load and picture quality.

not all fps is created equal. (search the net for explanation between the two codecs)