[Jason Dunn]

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=905

"Apple advocates are doing the unthinkable: They’re complaining publicly about a new Apple product release. It’s payback time: If the Vista team could write ad copy …Even typically staunch Mac backers are admitting that Apple’s new Leopard operating system is not perfect. It might even be as problem-prone (if not more so) as Windows Vista. Could Leopard go so far as to drive some switchers into Vista’s arms? Sounds crazy, but who knows…. If you’re Microsoft — especially a member of the Vista team — there’s no way you can help but gloat. Very few Softies or their loyal followers are gloating publicly. But there’s no way they aren’t enjoying this turning of the tables."

Steve Jobs must be so upset about this negative press he's probably ramped up his daily flogging of Apple employees with a Cat O' Nine Tails. :lol: Destroying user data is the #1 unforgivable sin of an operating system - I'll take a system crash any day over losing my data. I can't believe Apple let Leopard out the door with such an obvious flaw (I commonly move, rather than copy, my data).

And remember all the barbs Microsoft endured for introducing Aero and not having it be able to run on all hardware? It looks like Apple is no different - users with certain Macs, not being all that old, can't use the new fancy GUI elements in Leopard (such as transparency and shadowing, which are pretty much copies of Vista). The irony here is that some Mac users strongly dislike the new GUI elements in Leopard and are looking for ways to change it back.

Aren't new operating system release just lovely? :roll: It doesn't seem to matter who's releasing it, Microsoft or Apple, the first few months can be painful.

[Jason Dunn]

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=905

"Apple advocates are doing the unthinkable: They’re complaining publicly about a new Apple product release. It’s payback time: If the Vista team could write ad copy …Even typically staunch Mac backers are admitting that Apple’s new Leopard operating system is not perfect. It might even be as problem-prone (if not more so) as Windows Vista. Could Leopard go so far as to drive some switchers into Vista’s arms? Sounds crazy, but who knows…. If you’re Microsoft — especially a member of the Vista team — there’s no way you can help but gloat. Very few Softies or their loyal followers are gloating publicly. But there’s no way they aren’t enjoying this turning of the tables."

Steve Jobs must be so upset about this negative press he's probably ramped up his daily flogging of Apple employees with a Cat O' Nine Tails. :lol: Destroying user data is the #1 unforgivable sin of an operating system - I'll take a system crash any day over losing my data. I can't believe Apple let Leopard out the door with such an obvious flaw (I commonly move, rather than copy, my data).

And remember all the barbs Microsoft endured for introducing Aero and not having it be able to run on all hardware? It looks like Apple is no different - users with certain Macs, not being all that old, can't use the new fancy GUI elements in Leopard (such as transparency and shadowing, which are pretty much copies of Vista). The irony here is that some Mac users strongly dislike the new GUI elements in Leopard and are looking for ways to change it back.

Aren't new operating system release just lovely? :roll: It doesn't seem to matter who's releasing it, Microsoft or Apple, the first few months can be painful.

[Felix Torres]

I know Leopard Land doesn't roll of the tongue as smoothly as Tiger Land, but the current release of OS X with the fatal security issues ( http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=622 ) and bugs is Leopard.
I think Tiger was last year's $139 service pack. ;-)

Interesting quote:
"But the company (or should we say Steve Jobs) weighed the choices: wait another couple of months and lose face and revenue for the quarter, or release an under-cooked product and hope that the early adopters are backed up. They appear to have gone with the latter path."

Under-cooked. Where have I heard that before...? ;-)

[Jason Dunn]

Originally Posted by Felix Torres

I think Tiger was last year's $139 service pack.

Uh...umm... ops: I've always been more of a dog person...?

:lol: Fixed!

[MitchellO]

Could Leopard go so far as to drive some switchers into Vista’s arms? Sounds crazy, but who knows….

That is one of the silliest things I have ever read! While Leopard may not be as fantastic and hugely better than Tiger, NOBODY is going to switch from Leopard to Vista. Obviously an MS fanboy wrote that article.

I've been running Leopard for several days and it's definitely not a huge improvement over Tiger. There are some nice changes, but honestly they should have been a free upgrade. Chris Spera and I will be posting an article with our experiences with Leopard on GD shortly, I'm looking forward to what he thinks of it.

[Non-Geek]

Originally Posted by MitchellO

NOBODY is going to switch from Leopard to Vista. Obviously an MS fanboy wrote that article.

I am absolutely amazed that this blog has super-human member who knows what other people do! NOBODY?? I guess myself and at least 2 other friends I know are either "Non-NOBODY", or not qualify as "somebody". We have switched BACK to Vista after trying Leopard. Apparently, even shxx products from you-know-what company smell better than anything else for some undeclared super-fanboys. Plus, they know everybody and everything. Just for the record, I find this article confirm some of my bad experience with Leopard.

[Rhamiel]

While Leopard certainly doesn't meet all the expectations of the hype, and indeed, makes a long time Apple Zealot quite angry, that hardly means Apple would lose any customers to Vista. i mean, have you actually SEEN Vista? My gawd! i had that on my system for about a day before deleting it and going to XP! (which btw, both run quite nicely on the Mac...) Leopard has several rather stupid, frilly features... but Vista simply won't move out of the way so the user can get real work done, not with all those pop up windows, etc.

This being said, Apple needs to get its act together if it expects to keep the base happy. It has been slipping of late:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...22B1DB24037132

[Felix Torres]

Originally Posted by MitchellO

Obviously an MS fanboy wrote that article.

Are you at all familiar with ZDNET?
They, as a collective, are founding members of the ABM club.
Mary Jo Foley in particular is personna non-grata at MS and a persistent and very vocal critic of pretty much everything Microsoft.
Hardly an MS fangirl.

Morgenstern, the author of the article Foley was referring to, is a 20-year Mac veteran.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/bio.php#morgenstern
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?page_id=754

Not everybody that fails to prostrate themselves before the cult of Mac has a hidden agenda; some of them are simply pointing out factual discoveries.

Savvy consumers should be able to tell when somebody is trying to do them a favor and when it comes to data-loss bugs, which are unforgiveable, they should be thankful for the warning, regardless of where it might come from.

[mememe]

since launch.. I haven't had any issues. System is running well. Actually, it's running on a Macbook Pro and iMac in our house. Definitely enjoying the new features. Overall, very pleased and would buy again.

It's only an OS after all, so no one should place it in an omnipotent role, but it definitely is still a good few steps ahead of Vista.

The only thing I can say about our Mac experience is that 'it just works' the way you think it should. It's hard to quantify the user experience, but it's just plain better than Vista, at least for us.