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Old 04-22-2008, 10:45 PM
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Jason,

In experience, any recent Dell Power adapter that works for any recent Dell laptop using the barrel triaxial connector works for the M1330. I have an older AC/Air/Auto adapter from an M1210 that works just fine with the M1330. Also have several AC only adapters scattered about that work fine as well, all so I don't have carry them around.

I believe the adapter that comes with the M1330 uses the hex barrel since it is a lower power model and will not work with other laptop model.

Of course, your mileage may vary and if you blow something up, it wasn't my idea...
 
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Old 04-23-2008, 02:25 AM
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Jason,
You are absolutely right on target with this commentary. On the one hand, it could be worse. On the UMPC front, the OQO has the power splittting circuitry in the adapter brick so you absolutely need an OQO brick to power your little unit. (The Sony UX, on the other hand, has a standard 16v DC input.) On the other hand, I can't think of no reason in the world that every single laptop manufacturer and often enough every new series from some manufacturers needs a new power connector. It's often useful to have more than one adapter along with the additional power sources you mention. That can be quite expensive if you have to re-buy every time you change laptops. Desktops have centered on a common (ATX format) power supply. (Yes, I'll allow that there are differences in terms of the number and amperage of the 12v rails, but...) You can basically pick out a new power supply from any manufacturer and drop it into your system and have it work. I'd love to see something similar evolve with laptops.
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Old 04-23-2008, 04:25 AM
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On the other hand, I can't think of no reason in the world that every single laptop manufacturer and often enough every new series from some manufacturers needs a new power connector.
Indeed. I think that it's unreasonable to expect an industry-wide notebook power connector, because they all want to make money selling accessories, but I think that it's reasonable for each company to unify their notebooks under a single connector: so all Dells would use the same connector, all HPs, etc.
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Old 04-23-2008, 03:04 PM
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Wow! That is just crazy. I went to Rhode Island this weekend to visit my BFF and I had my Dell XPS M1730 with me. I love having this computer at full power. I've only had it about 3 weeks now. The first week, i got a virus and wile trying to reinstall the OS, the harddrive blew out on me. They replaced it in a day. I also bought a new 320GB WD from Bestbuy for more storage. HD Def Monitor, 4GB RAM, 640GB HD (2ea 320GB), Blur--ray Burner with sound sound. (Cant you hear Tim "the Tool Man" Taylor just growling in the background)

I went to Wal-Mart & Best Buy to buy a portable extra battery. Best I could come up is a adaptor for car chargers that worked. But guess what? No plugs on the plane. Luckly its only a 45min flight. But my wife turned it into 3hrs by not booking with Southwest
 
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Old 04-23-2008, 06:10 PM
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Likewise I wonder why Lenovo changed the power connector design for current ThinkPads (the new tip uses a bigger but thinner barrel) -- does anyone know?

I remember reading Lenovo's response to user complaints, saying something about the change being technically necessary going forward to adapt to new technologies, but the explanation was vague...

As a result our new ThinkPad X300 cannot share the spare A/C adapters we have for all our previous ThinkPads. I find it strange that the new connector uses a bigger barrel, because the connector port barely fit on the X300's thin chassis...
 
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Old 04-23-2008, 07:57 PM
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When I travelled (thankfully don't do much anymore) I used SeatGuru (http://www.seatguru.com/) to scope out the plane I was going on. Not sure if they have Canadian flights though.

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Old 04-23-2008, 08:40 PM
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When I travelled (thankfully don't do much anymore) I used SeatGuru (http://www.seatguru.com/) to scope out the plane I was going on. Not sure if they have Canadian flights though.
Yeah, that was the first thing I did (great site!) - but there are three different variations of the 737, the plane I was flying on, so I had to call Air Canada to ask which variation of the 737 they were using...and that's when I was told the plane I was going to be on didn't have power. But she was wrong.
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Old 04-23-2008, 09:09 PM
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Apple has standardized their power plugs (at least for the last two years) however the don't allow any third party power adapters.

I've found two interesting sites
http://mikegyver.com/index.html - this site sells magsafe cables with standard DC connectors on the end, so they can be connected to 3rd party power accessories

http://pangea.stanford.edu/~schmitt/magsafe/ - this guy tells you how to modify your $80 magsafe power adapter to insert a standard DC connector which can then be used with a 3rd party power accessory

The really disappointing thing is that the 3rd parties do it to. I used to have a Dell C600 laptop and an Acer tablet PC. I bought a Belkin Auto/Air power adapter that was super tiny, and had plugs for both laptops. My employer replaced my C600 with a D600 (which had a new plug) and of course Belkin no longer sold plugs for my model power adapter. They had a new model, which took new plugs, and weren't compatible with the old adapter I had.

As someone mentioned above, its all about making money.
 
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Old 04-24-2008, 04:37 PM
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You know, it really is rediculous. It's not like the guts of all the machines aren't substantially similar. Processors pretty much run on the same voltages, digital ICs have been running on 5 volts since I was in High School, and that was when we used tubes in the electronics labs, other stuff uses 12 volts. Point is the internal stuff pretty much runs on the same voltages, and the amount (current) may vary based on the stuff included. It does make sense that there are different voltage inputs to the various laptops, as the engineers try to match the power requirements to the power delivered. You wouldn't want an OQO with a power brick twice as big as the unit would you? Thing is, any excess power provided by the brick has to be dissipated somehow, and generally that is in heat. So if you wanted to hook the 19v brick for your 17" Sony for you 12" Sony, technically the 12" could be designed to use the bigger brick, but you would have to disspate more energy than you would for the 16v brick it comes with.

So that's why the bricks are all so different. No reason a Dell 19v supply shouldn't work on a Sony product requiring 19v though, except for the connector. The connector in my view is trivial. You can always create an adapter. As long as all you are talking about is a plain DC input. The folks at Gomadic (www.gomadic.com) and CallPod (www.callpod.com) have done done that sort of thing for smaller devices. Of course Belkin and others have done so for bigger things. Keep in mind that current capability just needs to be better than what the device asks for. If you have a laptop that wants 16v at 2A, you can hook a supply up to it that delivers 16v at 4A. The laptop draws the current it needs, the supply doesn't push current. The drawback is the 4A supply will typically be physically bigger than the 2A one. BUT, if you have two things that require 16v, and you can resolve the connector issue, just take the big supply.

Voltage on the other hand is very important. Too low and the internal electronics that develop the needed voltages may not be able to create them. Too high and you may exceed the internal electronics ability to dissipate the excess. In the first case the device may not work, and in the second it can burn up, spectacularly, or just a pfffft and dead. You can create a supply with a switch to change the output voltage. You can find these 'universal' supplies at Radio Shack that do 3, 6, 9, 12v based on a switch setting. That requires the user to know the device requirements and remember to set the switch before hooking it up. Not a great idea for devices that can cost $500 to $2500. So the voltage switching on things like the Belkin and I-Go power adapters is based on connector arrangements at the power supply end. So, you buy the right cord for your device, and the configuration of the cord effectively switches the supply to the right voltage, and comes with the appropriate connector for the device. It's understandable that the supply guys, want to ensure that they have thoroughly tested their product against a new portable unit. Even a change in the laptop connector though may cause them to decide not to support the new device, as testing and tooling for the new configuration might not be seen as profitable considering the potential user base.

Oh, well, sorry about the tirade, rant, pontification. It's just a topic that irritates me too, though I understand it to some degree. Just glad that small portable devices seem to be gravitating to 5v min-USB connectors.
 
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Old 04-25-2008, 03:31 AM
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Yeah, that was the first thing I did (great site!) - but there are three different variations of the 737, the plane I was flying on, so I had to call Air Canada to ask which variation of the 737 they were using...and that's when I was told the plane I was going to be on didn't have power. But she was wrong.
Airlines do sometimes make unscheduled equipment changes, so don't me too at her. Two weeks was far enough out for a lot to have happened!
 
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