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Old 03-09-2004, 06:00 AM
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Default Fixed Width or Full Width? The Users Vote...

Amazingly enough, the topic that seems to generate the most amount of commentary regarding this site is the fact that we went with a fixed width layout. When Fabrizio Fiandanese, the Thoughts Media designer & developer, came up with the fixed width design, I immediately loved it. Why? I thought it was tight, crisp, professional looking, and more readable. All Thoughts Media sites are targeted at a resolution of 800 x 600, because through a survey we found that the majority of people kept their windows around that size, even if they were running in a much higher resolution. I had wanted to shift to a 1024 x 768 layout to allow for larger pictures to be posted (our current limitation is 400 pixels wide), so I was a little disappointed when it became obvious we had to stick with our 800 x 600 friendly layout. Myself, I run 1280 x 1024, and I stopped browsing full screen a couple of years ago when I went above 1024 x 768 in resolution. Beyond a certain point, the wider a column of text is, the harder is is to read. I typically browse with my IE window around 900 pixels wide, give or take.

Many of the top Web sites out there have fixed columns widths (like MSN, C|NET, CNN, Google, Yahoo), so I'm honestly shocked at how much uproar our design decision caused. :lol: I think most of this comes from expectations - people know that Pocket PC Thoughts and Smartphone Thoughts have variable-width designs, and people were expecting the same thing here. I've read that people find it harder to read, but I have a great deal of difficulty accepting that, since everything I know about typography and layout tells me that a column layout, rather than a full-page width, makes text easier to read. This article has some interesting information about the subject as well. I'd be interested to know what people think now that a week has gone by - has the design grown on you? Does it still bother you? Do other sites you visit use fixed width?

Regardless of how strongly I might feel about this issue, ultimately this site is here to serve you, not me, so I'm open to considering changes. When the first people starting complaining about the layout (one of the DMT staff members actually), we figured there would be others, so we planned for the ability to have subscribers be able to change the layout to a variable width layout. Will that do the trick? Should the default remain fixed width, or should the fixed width be an option for those that like it? Last but not least, let's take a survey - but I should note that the survey results are just one more piece of data for me. I'm not prepared to act on the survey alone, but I want to see from a statistical standpoint where people are on this issue.
 
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Old 03-09-2004, 06:46 AM
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I personally use 1024 x 768. Most of my coworkers in our design group do as well...if not a higher resolution. But I hate walking over to the Project Managers, Salespeople, and Customer Service to see all of their computers set to 800 x 600. It's so damn ugly, I dont know why anyone would set their PCs to view such LARGE text and icons. It does no justice to the UI and it just makes everything look worse and difficult to work with.

No offense to anyone...but it seems the less PC savvy you are, the lower your screen resolution. (people with poor eyesight excluded).

My personal opinion is fixed width as you cant go wrong on any PC. And you have the most control as to how the page looks rather than different on every PC depending on resolution as well as how wide their side Favorites, History or Search sidebars are.
 
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Old 03-09-2004, 06:57 AM
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The main problem I find is that the fixed width on the main page constricts the text too much. There's the nav bar on the left, and ads/forum links on the right, so the resulting content takes up like less than 1/3 of the entire screen width!
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Old 03-09-2004, 07:12 AM
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Agreed with yslee. I think fixed width is fine (I honestly hadn't even noticed you'd done it until your front page post), however I find the center column of core content a little bit too narrow.
 
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Old 03-09-2004, 07:20 AM
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Ok here are my issues with fixed width:

1. It's much easier to quickly scan through the news items on PPCT because each item seems to have a more unique layout/shape. With DMT each item looks almost exactly the same at a glance.

2. PPCT seems to be able to fit more news items on the screen (3-4 on PPCT as opposed to 1-2 on DMT).

3. It seems like there aren't as many pictures/screenshots being posted on DMT, so again it's more difficult to quickly skim through the news items.

4. Although, I do think fixed width has a more professional look to it.

Why don't we try out variable width for a week and see how we like it, maybe we'll hate it and scream for fixed width back.

Hope this is some helpful criticism!
 
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Old 03-09-2004, 07:39 AM
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I vote fixed...
 
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Old 03-09-2004, 10:40 AM
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I voted for no fixed width in the end, though there really should be a choice for the fence sitters. =P
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Old 03-09-2004, 03:06 PM
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How about a minimum width set for an assumed 800x600, but expandable if the users screen is wider?

See for example my site at http://www.thegadgetbox.com. The center column expands or contracts, while the outer columns remain a fixed size to accomodate ads, menus, etc.
 
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Old 03-09-2004, 03:37 PM
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Agreed with yslee. I think fixed width is fine (I honestly hadn't even noticed you'd done it until your front page post), however I find the center column of core content a little bit too narrow.
But here's the funny part - the width of the centre column is EXACTLY the same as Pocket PC Thoughts and Smartphone Thoughts at 800 x 600 resolution. It's the same design on all three sites, no narrower - unless your browser window is significantly wider than 800 pixels on the other sites, there's no difference. ;-) But that's a valid point if most of you are browsing with your windows 1000 pixels wide - DMT won't expand to fill that.
 
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Old 03-09-2004, 03:38 PM
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How about a minimum width set for an assumed 800x600, but expandable if the users screen is wider? See for example my site at http://www.thegadgetbox.com. The center column expands or contracts, while the outer columns remain a fixed size to accomodate ads, menus, etc.
Yes, that's the way www.pocketpcthoughts.com and www.smartphonethoughts.com work now.
 
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