Xda Flame on O2 Web Site; MrPalm.com Posts Pictures

[Darius Wey]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.seeo2.com/flame/' target='_blank'>http://www.seeo2.com/flame/</a><br /><br /></div><i>"The first ever PDA-phone to boast a dedicated graphics processor, the Xda Flame features the advanced NVIDIA® GoForce® GPU for ultra-crisp graphics. 2 GB of onboard memory and an Intel® XScale® PXA 270 Processor running at 520 MHz, powers an unsurpassed user experience. Enjoy movies on the go or simply achieve more with the generous 3.6" VGA touchscreen."</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20070511-xdaflame.jpg" /><br /><br />Our favourite beast, the Xda Flame, is now up on <a href="http://www.seeo2.com/flame/">SeeO2.com</a>, complete with pictures, a Flash demonstration, and a <a href="http://www.seeo2.com/product/XdaFlame/template/XdaFlameProductInfo.vm">specs list</a>. Alongside all that is some <a href="http://www.mrpalm.com/list3.php?cont_id=663">eye-candy</a>, courtesy of the folks at MrPalm.com. It's worth noting that the Flame ships with Windows Mobile 5.0, although if <a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?action=expand,55157">recent news</a> is anything to go by, there's probably a good chance O2 will give it some Windows Mobile 6 love. Anyone here thinking of purchasing one?

[Oliver T]

I think this will be a worthy Loox 720 upgrade. It has almost the same specs but a lot more features and OS upgrade. The only concern is the battery. I don't think people will be happy with it. The one on my Loox has even more mAh and when I switch on WiFi you can literally watch it sucking the battery life out ;-D

Oliver

[pocketpcadmirer]

Well, I can surely hear a lot of Dell Axim users dieing to get hands on O2 Flame. This device has everything, IMHO. Big screen, VGA, tv-out, usb master-feature, 'powerful' graphic card, 2GB ROM, 128MB RAM, FM radio etc and etc

I love it !!

[Dyvim]

What exactly does this mean:

"Supports 262K colours (65,536 effective)"

So it's basically 65k colors like most other modern PPCs? Could they just as easily say "Supports 4 billion colours (65,536 effective)"?

Or do the normal 65k color screens actually have less (say 16K) effective colors, so that this would be a step up from the norm?

[rookcnu]

For those of us who are late to the show on the Flame,..... that would be me,.... can you give me the skinny on this unit coming to the states? In my short glance at their web site it does not appear that it will.

I hope this will change!

[netboy]

the F!? just 2100mzh 3G, NO 850/1900 hspda! the F?!
i have money and nobody want to take it!

[ricksfiona]

the F!? just 2100mzh 3G, NO 850/1900 hspda! the F?!
i have money and nobody want to take it!

I hear ya... No T-Mo 3G compatibility... No quad-band... It's a pretty device though..

[PdaAddict]

Any chance ATT or Tmobile will offer this phone? I would like to believe but mostly likely it will be ebay or Expensys(ive).com

[ecsk2]

the F!? just 2100mzh 3G, NO 850/1900 hspda! the F?!
i have money and nobody want to take it!

I hear ya... No T-Mo 3G compatibility... No quad-band... It's a pretty device though..

True but there is no Tmo 3G available at this point either :)

There isn't really any hardware for Tmo 3G at this time, but with no network either...

[ecsk2]

Any chance ATT or Tmobile will offer this phone? I would like to believe but mostly likely it will be ebay or Expensys(ive).com

att/cingular perhaps but it will take it's sweet time to show up, especially since this is an O2 branded device for now which is in essence a competitor (although in another market) to att/Cingular.

I doubt Tmo would offer it before (unless) Tmo has its own 3G network ready and this HTC device is available with that frequency band.

[ecsk2]

For those of us who are late to the show on the Flame,..... that would be me,.... can you give me the skinny on this unit coming to the states? In my short glance at their web site it does not appear that it will.

I hope this will change!

O2 is a service provider (just like att/Cingular/Tmo etc) and since they do not offer service in NA (except for roaming with the above mentioned and others) it is natural they do not mention anything about this coming to North America.

[Texican]

I'd so shell out big money for that thing if it were NA compatible :cry:

[ecsk2]

I'd so shell out big money for that thing if it were NA compatible :cry:

What exactly do you mean by NA compatible? It DOES have the 1900mhz band as such.


Am I missing something or it doesn't have EGPRS? Only GPRS?

[JesterMania]

I'd so shell out big money for that thing if it were NA compatible :cry:

What exactly do you mean by NA compatible? It DOES have the 1900mhz band as such.


Am I missing something or it doesn't have EGPRS? Only GPRS?

You must have had good experience with a tri-band phone in NA, unlike most other people who suffer from poor reception with the missing 850MHz band. I will never get a tri-band phone for just this reason.

As for those hoping that this device will come to North America - I highly doubt it. Carriers just can't risk people complaining about poor service/reception due to a tri-band device.

[AndrewF]

For those of us who are late to the show on the Flame,..... that would be me,.... can you give me the skinny on this unit coming to the states? In my short glance at their web site it does not appear that it will.

I hope this will change!

O2 is a service provider (just like att/Cingular/Tmo etc) and since they do not offer service in NA (except for roaming with the above mentioned and others) it is natural they do not mention anything about this coming to North America.

O2 are not a service provider in Australia, but they do distribute their phones here.

[xdev]

you need to keep in mind that o2 uk and this "o2" are two separate entities.

o2 UK still distributes htc phones.

[ecsk2]

O2 site is somewhat unclear on the EGPRS subject..

eBay sellers don't seem to agree :)

Item: Brand new O2 FLAME / O2 FLAMME - PDA Phone with WiFi (220111296052)

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No, just GPRS



Item: O2 FLAME phone/PDA, 3G, WiFi, Windows OS+IE+email+Media (270119105982)
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Hi,
THe Flame model has EDGE (if that answers your question). Suggest you check with O2 website.

[ecsk2]

I'd so shell out big money for that thing if it were NA compatible :cry:

What exactly do you mean by NA compatible? It DOES have the 1900mhz band as such.


Am I missing something or it doesn't have EGPRS? Only GPRS?

You must have had good experience with a tri-band phone in NA, unlike most other people who suffer from poor reception with the missing 850MHz band. I will never get a tri-band phone for just this reason.

As for those hoping that this device will come to North America - I highly doubt it. Carriers just can't risk people complaining about poor service/reception due to a tri-band device.

850Mhz is just a very small and limited part of NA coverage, and yes I seem to overlook it at times that it even exsists :)

I've never been in any 850mhz covearage area personally...

[ecsk2]

For those of us who are late to the show on the Flame,..... that would be me,.... can you give me the skinny on this unit coming to the states? In my short glance at their web site it does not appear that it will.

I hope this will change!

O2 is a service provider (just like att/Cingular/Tmo etc) and since they do not offer service in NA (except for roaming with the above mentioned and others) it is natural they do not mention anything about this coming to North America.

O2 are not a service provider in Australia, but they do distribute their phones here.

I stand corrected! :oops:

[BrotherDave]

It's too big. If I'm going to carry something this big I want a UMPC. The place for PPC is being a very thin ( .5 inch or less), short, skinny wrapper around a decent (3-3.5 inch) screen.

If I can't fit it in my jeans pocket then I'll use all the power of a small form factor PC carried in my bag.

[Darius Wey]

Any chance ATT or Tmobile will offer this phone? I would like to believe but mostly likely it will be ebay or Expensys(ive).com

A few months ago, O2 Asia-Pacific confirmed that this would start off as an Asia-Pacific release only. That may change in the future with an appearance in Europe, but it's a very small chance. Historically, North Americans have had to rely on importing, and as it stands, it'll be no different with the Flame.

[Darius Wey]

O2 are not a service provider in Australia, but they do distribute their phones here.

Ditto with the other O2 Asia-Pacific subsidiaries.

[ADBrown]

Any chance ATT or Tmobile will offer this phone? I would like to believe but mostly likely it will be ebay or Expensys(ive).com

att/cingular perhaps but it will take it's sweet time to show up, especially since this is an O2 branded device for now which is in essence a competitor (although in another market) to att/Cingular.

Actually no, there's zero chance this will ever show up on AT&amp;T, since it doesn't support the 850 MHz band that's crucial to AT&amp;T's GSM coverage.

850Mhz is just a very small and limited part of NA coverage, and yes I seem to overlook it at times that it even exsists :)

I've never been in any 850mhz covearage area personally...

Er, I'm not sure where you've been, then, because almost every city in the US has 850 GSM coverage. It also represents the large majority of total coverage area. The only place you won't find it is in markets where T-Mobile is the only GSM provider.

[ecsk2]

It's too big. If I'm going to carry something this big I want a UMPC. The place for PPC is being a very thin ( .5 inch or less), short, skinny wrapper around a decent (3-3.5 inch) screen.

If I can't fit it in my jeans pocket then I'll use all the power of a small form factor PC carried in my bag.

This device is a lot smaller than the smallest current UMPC (OQO?) in fact it's lighter than the perhaps best PPC on the market Dell x51v.

This O2 Flame is a tad thick yes but still its only 17.5 mm which is about 0.68 inches. As for it's screen it is bigger than your "decent" range of 3-3.5" at 3.6" :)

What I personally lack is a decent keyboard as found on the Sharp EM ONE (yes yes it is my favorite for now :))

What kind of jeans do you have :) the OQO will fit in your jeans pocket, been there done that. The huge disadvantages of the UMPC's right now is the not instant on and battery time, and if you put them into sleep mode they will still empty the battery in a day or two :(

[ecsk2]

Any chance ATT or Tmobile will offer this phone? I would like to believe but mostly likely it will be ebay or Expensys(ive).com

att/cingular perhaps but it will take it's sweet time to show up, especially since this is an O2 branded device for now which is in essence a competitor (although in another market) to att/Cingular.

Actually no, there's zero chance this will ever show up on AT&amp;T, since it doesn't support the 850 MHz band that's crucial to AT&amp;T's GSM coverage.

850Mhz is just a very small and limited part of NA coverage, and yes I seem to overlook it at times that it even exsists :)

I've never been in any 850mhz covearage area personally...

Er, I'm not sure where you've been, then, because almost every city in the US has 850 GSM coverage. It also represents the large majority of total coverage area. The only place you won't find it is in markets where T-Mobile is the only GSM provider.

What I was refering to is that "this phone" could show up in as a "sister model" with the appropriate support for the NA frequencies.

Does att/Cingular also use 850mhz? I was only aware of the Tmo 850mhz bands. I am still learning on the somewhat odd NA GSM solutions, been using GSM as such since 1990 but obviously this was not 1900 nor 850mhz. Currently I've been using the 1900mhz for some years.

[ecsk2]

So back to discussing the product.

Anyone KNOW if this thing HAS or does NOT have EGPRS support?
Kind of confusing from all the info I've been able to track down.

Also was there a price reference in any of the O2 sites, could not locate one. Maybe I'm just blind? ;)

[ecsk2]

Er, I'm not sure where you've been, then, because almost every city in the US has 850 GSM coverage. It also represents the large majority of total coverage area. The only place you won't find it is in markets where T-Mobile is the only GSM provider.

I am no expert on the 850mhz band at all but based on what are you indicating that it would represent "the large majority of total coverage area"?

Not sure how accurate this is for Cingular and 850mhz but I guess it gives some kind of idea of the 850 coverage? (Guess you can now tell what places I haven't been in during the GSM era :)) Indeed there is no 850mhz GSM frequencies anywhere close to where I am at :)

http://www.cingular.com/download/GPRS_coverage_leg.pdf


Why would you indicate that it's not used by Tmo?
Note the "850 MHz Roaming Coverage":
http://coverage.t-mobile.com/default.aspx

[ADBrown]

Does att/Cingular also use 850mhz?

Yes, extensively. They own 850 MHz licenses over most of their coverage area: you can check out which companies own what licenses at wirelessadvisor.com. There are, as a rule, two 850 band licenses per "market." In the eastern US, Cingular usually owns one, and Verizon the other. Most of that 850 MHz roaming area that you can see on T-Mobile is actually Cingular coverage.

Why would you indicate that it's not used by Tmo?
Note the "850 MHz Roaming Coverage":
http://coverage.t-mobile.com/default.aspx

T-Mobile has no native 850 MHz coverage in their network, since they own no licenses for it. They do roam onto other carriers like Cingular, DCS Cellular One, Suncom, and others that use 850 MHz, but the T-Mobile network itself is pure 1900. This is why you can use a tri-band phone on T-Mobile if you don't mind sacrificing most of the roaming coverage.

Anyway, according to CNET Asia's spec sheet, the Flame does not have EDGE.

[Janak Parekh]

I am no expert on the 850mhz band at all but based on what are you indicating that it would represent "the large majority of total coverage area"?
Keep in mind that the map understates 850MHz, if anything. 850MHz is overlaid with 1900MHz in a lot of places. If you use a 1900MHz-only device with Cingular, it might work, but you'll have more dead spots and network busies as you can't use the full capacity of the network.

At this point, it's not worth buying a 1900MHz-only device; even if it works now, it's not a good future investment.

--janak

[ricksfiona]

the F!? just 2100mzh 3G, NO 850/1900 hspda! the F?!
i have money and nobody want to take it!

I hear ya... No T-Mo 3G compatibility... No quad-band... It's a pretty device though..

True but there is no Tmo 3G available at this point either :)

There isn't really any hardware for Tmo 3G at this time, but with no network either...

But when T-Mo DOES turn it on... It won't be supported by this PDA...

[ecsk2]

Yes, extensively. They own 850 MHz licenses over most of their coverage area: you can check out which companies own what licenses at wirelessadvisor.com. There are, as a rule, two 850 band licenses per "market." In the eastern US, Cingular usually owns one, and Verizon the other. Most of that 850 MHz roaming area that you can see on T-Mobile is actually Cingular coverage.

Ok licenses that's one thing, but actual networks or coverag another.

Verizon has nothing to do with GSM though, and when I said I have not been in 850mhz coverage area I was only talking about GSM, I really do not know anything about the NON GSM NA networks whatsoever.

Ok yeah I know Tmo uses Cingular's network.




T-Mobile has no native 850 MHz coverage in their network, since they own no licenses for it. They do roam onto other carriers like Cingular, DCS Cellular One, Suncom, and others that use 850 MHz, but the T-Mobile network itself is pure 1900. This is why you can use a tri-band phone on T-Mobile if you don't mind sacrificing most of the roaming coverage..

Ok thanks I haven't had any business into these 850mhz coverage areas during NA GSM era so doesn't bother me, aside from 1900 all I need is 900/1800 for my roaming around the globe.


Anyway, according to CNET Asia's spec sheet, the Flame does not have EDGE.

That kind of kills it for me :( I mean I can live without 3G but I really can't see myself going to plain GPRS :( for my needs EGPRS serves me just ok for now.
Although EGPRS at times is labeled just as GPRS since EGPRS really is just a software difference, I guess we will have to wait till someone actually gets their hands on one?

[ecsk2]

But when T-Mo DOES turn it on... It won't be supported by this PDA...

True, this "when" though has been stated as being "this year" for what 2-3 years now? :(

Is there what ONE device so far that supports the NA Tmo 1700/2100mhz 3G band?

[ecsk2]

I am no expert on the 850mhz band at all but based on what are you indicating that it would represent "the large majority of total coverage area"?
Keep in mind that the map understates 850MHz, if anything. 850MHz is overlaid with 1900MHz in a lot of places. If you use a 1900MHz-only device with Cingular, it might work, but you'll have more dead spots and network busies as you can't use the full capacity of the network.

At this point, it's not worth buying a 1900MHz-only device; even if it works now, it's not a good future investment.

--janak

Well it really depends upon your needs, if you do not have much need for coverage in the east end of USA (like myself) and more westcoast and international coverage then it really doesn't matter. Fortunately 1900 has become somewhat std now in GSM phones, unlike 850mhz

[ecsk2]

Anyway, according to CNET Asia's spec sheet, the Flame does not have EDGE.

Any idea where one could find the facts about EDGE on this device? :(

Located this from one of the eBay sellers sites:

http://www.38mobile.com/details.php?phoneid=O2flame

Where "Click here for Specification &amp; Details" takes you to:

http://www.38mobile.com/spec.php?phoneid=O2flame

Where it does claim:
GPRS (General Packet Radio Service) Class 10.
EDGE (Enhanced Data for Global Evolution).

Go figure...

[ecsk2]

But expansys AUS does only mention GPRS :(

http://www.expansys.com.au/p.aspx?i=147272&amp;stack=technical&amp;action=open#technical

..and the same here:
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/handhelds/0,39001705,40031861p,00.htm


I think I will sit down a cry :(

I thought I would settle for this device, despite the lack of the qwerty just because of the other specs such as screen resolution etc, and of course no NA 3G support but EGPRS would do it for my needs...

[Janak Parekh]

Well it really depends upon your needs, if you do not have much need for coverage in the east end of USA (like myself) and more westcoast and international coverage then it really doesn't matter. Fortunately 1900 has become somewhat std now in GSM phones, unlike 850mhz
Up to you, but the most important characteristic of a phone is its coverage. I carried a 1900MHz-only Jasjar for a while because I really liked the device, but ultimately gave it up because it wouldn't provide the coverage when I needed it most.

Also, don't assume 850MHz doesn't exist in the West. Like I said, the carriers are overlaying parts of their existing 1900MHz networks with 850MHz for additional capacity.

I think your best bet is to either wait until a North American frequency version (presumably with NA 3G support) comes out, or to look at another device.

--janak

[Malkatraz]

Disappointing it only has the 2100mhz band. The 'next-G' network here in Aus. uses a combination of 850mhz and 2100mhz bands. Need the coverage of 850mhz...

[BrotherDave]

This device is a lot smaller than the smallest current UMPC (OQO?) in fact it's lighter than the perhaps best PPC on the market Dell x51v.

This O2 Flame is a tad thick yes but still its only 17.5 mm which is about 0.68 inches. As for it's screen it is bigger than your "decent" range of 3-3.5" at 3.6" :)


I realize that it’s smaller than current UMPCs. My point is that if I have to carry it in my bag I’ll carry a bit more size to get a lot more power (either way I have to carry my bag.) Everyone has different size/comfort quotients but for me the t-mo dash is the about the biggest something can get and fit comfortably in my jeans pocket.

3.6 inch screen is nice – but if it makes it too big to fit in my pocket comfortably then the bigger screen defeats the prime objective of always having it with me. So, I’ll trade off to as far down as a 3 inch screen to get the device small enough to fit in my pocket.



What kind of jeans do you have :)

Good question, all I can say is no one has accused me of wearing tight pants. :worried:


the OQO will fit in your jeans pocket, been there done that.
Yes but it will pull my pants down :( I need it to fit comfortably, but again, I understand this part is subjective.

[Mr_Music]

Does anyone know if this would work in northern Europe, sweden?

And where could I order it internationally?

Anyone know? :D

[ecsk2]

Well it really depends upon your needs, if you do not have much need for coverage in the east end of USA (like myself) and more westcoast and international coverage then it really doesn't matter. Fortunately 1900 has become somewhat std now in GSM phones, unlike 850mhz
Up to you, but the most important characteristic of a phone is its coverage. I carried a 1900MHz-only Jasjar for a while because I really liked the device, but ultimately gave it up because it wouldn't provide the coverage when I needed it most.

Also, don't assume 850MHz doesn't exist in the West. Like I said, the carriers are overlaying parts of their existing 1900MHz networks with 850MHz for additional capacity.

I think your best bet is to either wait until a North American frequency version (presumably with NA 3G support) comes out, or to look at another device.

--janak

True but since I am more in need of 900/1800 than the 850mhz it doesn't bother me. Also I am not really needing 3G, EGPRS is fast enough for my needs, and thereby also gives a little better batterytime, I forsee WiMax being around before I would be using 3G daily.

[850mhz in the west of US? Do you have a coverage map that shows that?] &lt;- Strike that :)
Yeah there are some 850 patches on the Tmo network in CA
http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/
I believe my current device actually does 850mhz, so maybe my claim of never have been in 850mhz was truely a 100% false one :oops:
See told you I am still learning on this NA GSM networks :)

As for other device, yeah if this Flame doesn't have EGPRS there is no chance I would be getting one at this point.

[ecsk2]

I realize that it’s smaller than current UMPCs. My point is that if I have to carry it in my bag I’ll carry a bit more size to get a lot more power (either way I have to carry my bag.) Everyone has different size/comfort quotients but for me the t-mo dash is the about the biggest something can get and fit comfortably in my jeans pocket.
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Well the problem with ALL UMPCs today regardless if they have/you use the WWAN / WLAN capabilities or not is the batterytime, you will be looking at 2 hours of real usage with some wireless hookup, ok you can squeeze it to 2.5hrs but it won't go to 3hours, been there done that with the OQO 01 and 01+ and that was merly WLAN, the 02 does WWAN too but only EVDO for now, there is a hack going on to make it into HSDPA but whatever the case the battery time is just rediculous, and then of course the size too.

If the HTC S620 (Tmo Dash) is the biggest you can see yourself carrying around, I think that is your best bet for now until the new one is released HTC S630 (Cavalier) http://www.mobilewhack.com/htc-s630-cavalier/

The Dash squeezes nice features into a nice package size, and with things like Opera browser now available for WM..SP edition it's quite ok, just need that extra MHZ that the Cavalier is going to have to be able to use things like skype (voice) over WLAN effeciently.

May I ask what you use/need this portable device for, meaning when you say more power (i.e. real UMPC) what would you be using it for mainly? and would you be hooked up to the net somehow constantly?

The HTC S260 does about 3-4 hours with constant EGPRS runing, but yes a second battery (or/and charger for the phone/2nd battery) isn't very expensive nor large so yes 4+4hrs etc isn't at all hard to achieve, have 2nd battery on its way for wife's S620 as we speak ;)

[ecsk2]

Does anyone know if this would work in northern Europe, sweden?

And where could I order it internationally?

Anyone know? :D


Det borde inte vara nagra som helst problem med den har telefonen in Sverige, den skall nog funka helt och hallet i Europa som helhet, dvs ocksa i Sverige :) mvh ;)

[BrotherDave]

If the HTC S620 (Tmo Dash) is the biggest you can see yourself carrying around, I think that is your best bet for now until the new one is released HTC S630 (Cavalier) http://www.mobilewhack.com/htc-s630-cavalier/



But oh how I want to go back to PPC. :( I miss notes, stylus input, big screen and reading. Querty thumb board on the dash (for me) isn't worth the screen real estate.


May I ask what you use/need this portable device for, meaning when you say more power (i.e. real UMPC) what would you be using it for mainly? and would you be hooked up to the net somehow constantly?


Since you ask,

The device on my person will be a calendar, phone, a list mgr, quickie email (sentence long replies w/ on screen keyboard is fine.) I'd like to use it as a reader (I used to love to read all night w/ my super slim Compaq Areo. Now my dash screen is too small for long term reading.) Decent camera would be good but not a must have. Quick bible reference, quick web browser, audio-media player. Constant web access is not mandatory but calendar/email updates on demand are. I see this device (or something small enough to carry w/ as much of this as possible) as a need. Give me a dash w/ a stylus, and trade the querty for a bigger screen and I'm happy.

The bigger device I'm willing to throw in a bag would be a full duty email device, note taker (work / classes / church) word editor, web browser/picture/media viewer. This device would be a luxury (unless I can get work to pay for it :) I'm thinking this can be as small as the OQO (needs a good screen) and big as a comfortable two-hand minimal qwerty keyboard (but no bigger.)

-Dave

[ecsk2]

But oh how I want to go back to PPC. :( I miss notes, stylus input, big screen and reading. Querty thumb board on the dash (for me) isn't worth the screen real estate.


Understandable...



Since you ask,

The device on my person will be a calendar, phone, a list mgr, quickie email (sentence long replies w/ on screen keyboard is fine.) I'd like to use it as a reader (I used to love to read all night w/ my super slim Compaq Areo. Now my dash screen is too small for long term reading.) Decent camera would be good but not a must have. Quick bible reference, quick web browser, audio-media player. Constant web access is not mandatory but calendar/email updates on demand are. I see this device (or something small enough to carry w/ as much of this as possible) as a need. Give me a dash w/ a stylus, and trade the querty for a bigger screen and I'm happy.

The bigger device I'm willing to throw in a bag would be a full duty email device, note taker (work / classes / church) word editor, web browser/picture/media viewer. This device would be a luxury (unless I can get work to pay for it :) I'm thinking this can be as small as the OQO (needs a good screen) and big as a comfortable two-hand minimal qwerty keyboard (but no bigger.)

-Dave

Sounds like somewhat similair uses to myself, Ive ended up using two devices Sidekick 3 currently for the emails, constant web, and of course the great keyboard. Then a Dell x51v for the media and ebook reader..

There actually is such a "dash" only it doesn't have EDGE so I didnt get it...check it out:

http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=139977


Decent picture:
http://i.expansys.com/i/b/b139977.jpg

[ADBrown]

Ok licenses that's one thing, but actual networks or coverag another.

Nearly all 850 MHz license area also has coverage deployed. That kind of spectrum is too valuable to leave idle in almost any kind of populated area.

Verizon has nothing to do with GSM though, and when I said I have not been in 850mhz coverage area I was only talking about GSM, I really do not know anything about the NON GSM NA networks whatsoever.

I was only talking about GSM too--I mentioned Verizon mainly as an equivalent to Cingular, i.e. a carrier that uses 850, compared to the 1900 carriers of T-Mo and Sprint.

[ecsk2]

Ok licenses that's one thing, but actual networks or coverag another.

Nearly all 850 MHz license area also has coverage deployed. That kind of spectrum is too valuable to leave idle in almost any kind of populated area.

Verizon has nothing to do with GSM though, and when I said I have not been in 850mhz coverage area I was only talking about GSM, I really do not know anything about the NON GSM NA networks whatsoever.

I was only talking about GSM too--I mentioned Verizon mainly as an equivalent to Cingular, i.e. a carrier that uses 850, compared to the 1900 carriers of T-Mo and Sprint.

Did you read some of my replies after this one you quoted? ;)

[ecsk2]

..and this HTC device is ...

I was only assuming it was HTC made, but perhaps that is not true...

http://blog.mypdacafe.com/upload_files/mpc_blog/1430/arima.JPG

http://www.arimacomm.com.tw/english/index01.asp

Interesting:
http://www.arimacomm.com.tw/english/capa01_a.html
http://www.arimacomm.com.tw/english/capa01_b.html

[coolabah]

its now available for purchase: :D

http://phones.anythingonline.com.au/c481/category102/p112994 :mrgreen:

[ecsk2]

its now available for purchase: :D

http://phones.anythingonline.com.au/c481/category102/p112994 :mrgreen:

Yeah I would've bought one a couple of weeks ago if it had EDGE.

[rookcnu]

You know what I would love at this point?

One of Menneisyys' famous comparison charts that can explain to me (and I am sure many others who do not understand the language) the differences between all of these phone frequencies and such.

Please tell me what the difference is between 2100mzh, 850mhz, 1900mhz, tri-band, quad band, hspda, GSM, GPRS, EGPRS, EDGE EVDO, etc. etc. etc.

It's enough to make my head spin. And some of us (me) are a bit slower than the rest :oops: .

Has this already been done somewhere? In a nice chart with all the information/comparison side by side? Maybe a chart that shows what carriers do all of the things mentioned above. I just can't keep track of who does what.

If not, .... Menneisyys - please come to the rescue for those of us that are just not as well versed.

[Nurhisham Hussein]

rookcnu, try Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G)

The short version:

•GSM and CDMA are competing wireless technologies. They're not interoperable (i.e. you can't use a CDMA handset on a GSM network and vice versa). The frequency ranges you see usually refer to GSM.

•Tri-band refers to frequency bands 900MHz, 1800MHz and 1900MHz. Quadband is the same except it adds 850MHz, which is necessary if you want to use a handset in the US.

All the rest are data transfer technologies:

•GPRS=2.5G, essentially a data transfer technology for GSM. Roughly comparable to a bad dial-up link.

•EGPRS=EDGE=2.75G, allows a considerable increase of transfer rates over GPRS (about 3x-4x), also GSM only.

•UMTS=WCDMA=3G, for GSM. Another increase in transfer rates, though only another 50% more over EDGE.

•HSDPA=3.5G, now we're talking! 1st gen HSDPA gives 5x download rates of UMTS, and 2nd gen doubles that to 3.6MBits. 7.2MBits is on the way. There's an equivalent standard for upload speeds called HSUPA.

•EVDO=3G for CDMA networks. I'm less familiar with this, but the latest EVDO revision gives comparable download speeds with HSDPA, if not faster.