3G Capable Pocket PC Phone?

[powercx]

Are there any 3G Capable Pocket PC Phone out there beside the Dopod 900? The Dopod 900 is too big for me, and the keyboard is not required. I'm getting tired of carrying around my UMTS Phone from Cingular in Conjunction with my iPaq. Most of the Pocket PC Phones out there are Edge Capable, not 3G.

My father has the Dopod 900 and he's getting the same speed as if I were to attach my iPaq to my UMTS phone, 400kbps and higher on a 3G Network and 128kbps to 300kbps on EDGE and 62kbps to 100kbps on GPRS Connection, all speed are the same whether it's on the PDA Phone or connection via bluetooth.

But I prefer to have it in all in one and my O2 XDA II series are not 3G capable and I'm not about to go switch phone service and go with Verizon just to get their 3G PDA Phone.

[Nurhisham Hussein]

You're in luck: :wink:

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50794&highlight=

Alternatively (since you seem to be able to get access to Dopod products), look for the Dopod 838 Pro, which is the Dopod version of the same device. Next month will see the launching of the FSC T830, but that's Europe only.

[ADBrown]

My father has the Dopod 900 and he's getting the same speed as if I were to attach my iPaq to my UMTS phone, 400kbps and higher on a 3G Network and 128kbps to 300kbps on EDGE and 62kbps to 100kbps on GPRS Connection, all speed are the same whether it's on the PDA Phone or connection via bluetooth.

Are you sure about those speeds? The Dopod 900 doesn't support EDGE, and in any event EDGE can't really go above 200 Kbits. Likewise, GPRS can only go up to around 60 Kbits.

[powercx]

My father has the Dopod 900 and he's getting the same speed as if I were to attach my iPaq to my UMTS phone, 400kbps and higher on a 3G Network and 128kbps to 300kbps on EDGE and 62kbps to 100kbps on GPRS Connection, all speed are the same whether it's on the PDA Phone or connection via bluetooth.

Are you sure about those speeds? The Dopod 900 doesn't support EDGE, and in any event EDGE can't really go above 200 Kbits. Likewise, GPRS can only go up to around 60 Kbits.

You are correct. I shouldn't have taken his word since his benchmark was from his butt.

I just tested it against my ipaq connected to my umts (3g) phone, my umts phone By itself connected to the internet and the Dopod 900 itself.

The ipaq was getting 803kbps via bluetooth to my umts phone. my umts phone was getting 212kbps, and the Dopod 900 was getting 63kbps. The test were at my place with full bar 3G connection.

I believe the problem with the dopod 900 is because of its tri-band gsm rather than quad band gsm. But what's the difference between jasjam as their spec in quotes"quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE and tri-band 3G connectivity". Tri-band 3g as it says on the spec. Does that mean it'll be the same speed as dopod 900? I don't understand that part. Is it Quad or Tri?

[Nurhisham Hussein]

I don't understand that part. Is it Quad or Tri?

It's both:


WCDMA/HSDPA:2100 and 850/1900
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900


The quad refers to the GSM network (with GPRS/EDGE overlay), and the Tri refers to 3G (WCDMA:2100 with HSDPA overlay:850/1900).

You can only use the HSDPA (aka 3.5G) if you have HSDPA coverage, but if you do, it will give (currently) a theoretical max throughput of 1.8MBits, or about 4.6x WCDMA speeds.

[Menneisyys]

400kbps and higher on a 3G Network and 128kbps to 300kbps on EDGE and 62kbps to 100kbps on GPRS Connection

As the others have already pointed out, these data are pretty out-of-the-world. I've done (see for example http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=518&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 ) a LOT of GPRS/EDGE benchmarking (with downloading non-compressable stuff so that data compression doesn't mess up the results) and the maximal speed has turned to be around 40 kbps (GPRS - with GPRS, it's very rarely - if ever - that you'll achieve better results with, for example, a Wizard) and, reallyt rarely (in general, it's way be;low 200 kbps) 240 kbps (EDGE). Also, I'd say the maximal throughput of current 3G networks / hardware is around 350 kbps.

[Menneisyys]

The ipaq was getting 803kbps via bluetooth to my umts phone

???? The theoreetical maximum throughput of BT is 723 kbps (which is, due to the overhead, is decidedly worse in real life).

[Nurhisham Hussein]

Also, I'd say the maximal throughput of current 3G networks / hardware is around 350 kbps.

I wish I could even come near those speeds - the best I seem to get with 3G is around 128kbps.

[Menneisyys]

Also, I'd say the maximal throughput of current 3G networks / hardware is around 350 kbps.

I wish I could even come near those speeds - the best I seem to get with 3G is around 128kbps.

Yup, it heavily depends on your particular operator. For example, with one operator here, I've only measured about 100 kbps EDGE speeds; with another, around 180-200 kbps. So, Edge/3G/HSDPA speeds widely vary between operators - even at the same location.

[powercx]

???? The theoreetical maximum throughput of BT is 723 kbps (which is, due to the overhead, is decidedly worse in real life).

Oh really? That's good to know.

[powercx]

Yup, it heavily depends on your particular operator. For example, with one operator here, I've only measured about 100 kbps EDGE speeds; with another, around 180-200 kbps. So, Edge/3G/HSDPA speeds widely vary between operators - even at the same location.

Funny that you mention that, and is correct. I sat in one place and keep on testing the speed in one location, moving only slightly to another seat within 10 feet apart and got different results and my UMTS phone switched from EDGE to 3G and back again to EDGE, depending on where I sit.

This is all has been very educational.