Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket LOOX T800 Series Released

[Darius Wey]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/campaigns/pocket_loox_t/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/camp...ox_t/index.html</a><br /><br /></div><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20060213-LOOXT800.jpg"><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20060213-LOOXT800s.jpg" /></a><br /><br />Fujitsu-Siemens officially unveiled the long-awaited Pocket LOOX T800 series today at the 3GSM World Congress. A set of product images can be found above and below, courtesy of Microsoft and Fujitsu-Siemens. Both the T810 and T830 have an Intel PXA270 416 MHz processor, 64MB RAM, 128MB ROM, GSM (900/1800/1900MHz) and UMTS (2100MHz) support, integrated GPS (SiRF GCS3F), 802.11b/g Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 2.0, a 2-megapixel auto-focus camera (T830 only; video telephony uses VGA - 640 x 480), a QWERTY keyboard (with a 5-way D-pad, 3-way jog dial, and 2 application buttons), a 2.4" 240 x 240 65K-colour square-screen TFT-LCD, a 1500mAh Li-Ion battery, an SDIO/SD/MMC slot, USB 1.1 (host and slave), Windows Mobile 5.0, and the MSFP. The official T800 series web page can be found <a href="http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/campaigns/pocket_loox_t/index.html">here</a>. A brochure can be downloaded from <a href="http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/Resources/57/1240339470.pdf">here</a> (PDF). <!><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20060213-LOOXT800b.jpg" />

[ctmagnus]

So, what's the car key-looking thing? The website wasn't very useful in that regard.

[Darius Wey]

So, what's the car key-looking thing? The website wasn't very useful in that regard.

It definitely isn't the stylus. ;)

[ctmagnus]

"*Gouge* Whoops, should've bought that FS-branded screen protector the nice salesdroid offered me."

Well, it might be. ;)

[Nurhisham Hussein]

Autofocus camera? Hmmmm....I might have to rethink my vow about not ever buying a WM5 machine after all.

[apeguero]

Is this, finally, the very illusive "perfect" Smart Phone? Wow! Only thing I could possibly even think to complain about is that it's not compatible with Sprint PCS. And to think that I just left Cingular about 2 months ago while chasing the PPC 6700 with Sprint. Oh well. Maybe this thing will be half-affordable two years from now (if it or it's succesor ever makes it here to the states).

That key looking thing is a VW key and FOB if I'm not mistaken. My VW keys look about the same except that mine also have ttrunk release.

[DaleReeck]

Forget the PDA. That key kicks A$$ :D It looks like a car key (that flips inside the housing) with a wireless door transmitter built in.

[JuhaN]

This doesn't seem to support EDGE...? :cry: All other specs seem nice. Why is it impossible to create a PERFECT phone...

=)juha

[pocketpcadmirer]

Its really great to see a company like Fujitsu making such nice devices.
HP, YOU LISTENING ?? This is what I call a complete.

My request, make the keyboard slider and gimme a 320*240 screen like HTC BA

Sunny

[zohaer21]

240x240 display.. what world are they living in? how many software especially games you know of can handle that display ???? very few
and how would you surf the net or open a big spread sheet on that screen resolution??? magician is 2.8" with 320x240 display that is still insifficient for spreedsheets and surfing.. jasjar rules with vga hack for these purposes... the only thing i think would be useful from this FS phone would be if someone from xda-dev can manage to get the drivers for usb host!!! then the jasjar would be perfect!!

[Nurhisham Hussein]

the only thing i think would be useful from this FS phone would be if someone from xda-dev can manage to get the drivers for usb host!!! then the jasjar would be perfect!!

Won't help - if you look carefully, the drivers and registry entries are already present in WM5, and has been since Pocket PC 2002. To have USB host functionality (especially USB 2.0 as it is on this phone), you need hardware support implemented as well.

[alese]

This doesn't seem to support EDGE...? :cry: All other specs seem nice. Why is it impossible to create a PERFECT phone...

=)juha

It has 3G (UMTS), that's quite a bit faster than EDGE. It's also more widespread in Europe...

[JuhaN]

This doesn't seem to support EDGE...? :cry: All other specs seem nice. Why is it impossible to create a PERFECT phone...

=)juha

It has 3G (UMTS), that's quite a bit faster than EDGE. It's also more widespread in Europe...
I know... But in Finland EDGE is widely available. I can get EDGE connection speeds even at my summer cottage. However 3G is catching up quite nicely but it's still only available in largest cities...

=)juha

[surur]

According to the spec sheet its USB 1.1 host and slave. No USB 2 is sight :(

Surur

[Darius Wey]

According to the spec sheet its USB 1.1 host and slave. No USB 2 is sight :(

Hmm, looks like they ditched the v2.0 specification. Boooo! :(

[choyboy]

Good work darius!

Is there any word on whether this will be released in Australia? If not, anyone got any good suggestions for getting one sent here? :D

This is as close to ideal as I've seen in a smartphone.

One thing - when it says WM5 phone edition on their specs, this isn't the crappy version of WM5 running on the O2 and orange candy bar phones is it? If so, this WILL run all Windows mobile programs, right?

As for screen size and compatibility: Expect software to start becoming compatible with 240 x 240 very soon. There are notable handhelds with this size screen now - the palm treo 700w, LOOX T8xx series, and the HP HW series. Whilst MS should have really gone with 320 x 320 (then the 320 x 240 stuff would actually run!), with the main players in town all with 240 x 240 handhelds, developers will have no choice but to start supporting this resolution or lose sales.

I predict Dell will be next to release a smartphone, probably with this reso screen as well!

Choyboy

[Nurhisham Hussein]

Is there any word on whether this will be released in Australia? If not, anyone got any good suggestions for getting one sent here? :D

10 to 1 it won't be available outside of Europe. The best bet I'd guess is ordering from www.clove.co.uk - great service, and they've always carried the Loox.


One thing - when it says WM5 phone edition on their specs, this isn't the crappy version of WM5 running on the O2 and orange candy bar phones is it? If so, this WILL run all Windows mobile programs, right?

This will run the full WM5, not the smartphone version.

[Darius Wey]

If so, this WILL run all Windows mobile programs, right?

Like hishamh mentioned, it runs the Pocket PC version of Windows Mobile, not the Smartphone version. It won't necessarily run all Windows Mobile programs, but it will run those designed for Windows Mobile 5.0 Pocket PCs. And, rest assured, most of today's applications have already been updated to support Windows Mobile 5.0.

[Fritske]

240x240 display.. what world are they living in? how many software especially games you know of can handle that display ???? very few
and how would you surf the net or open a big spread sheet on that screen resolution??? magician is 2.8" with 320x240 display that is still insifficient for spreedsheets and surfing.. jasjar rules with vga hack for these purposes... the only thing i think would be useful from this FS phone would be if someone from xda-dev can manage to get the drivers for usb host!!! then the jasjar would be perfect!!

If you carry a Samsonite! The Jasjar is really BIG!

[Fritske]

When will the Loox be available in Europe? I hope very soon, if it's not too big...bye, bye, Qtek 9100......

[zohaer21]

the only thing i think would be useful from this FS phone would be if someone from xda-dev can manage to get the drivers for usb host!!! then the jasjar would be perfect!!

Won't help - if you look carefully, the drivers and registry entries are already present in WM5, and has been since Pocket PC 2002. To have USB host functionality (especially USB 2.0 as it is on this phone), you need hardware support implemented as well.


hi
what lends support to my WISH is the fact that when engadget had the htc universal for testing they mentioned that it had usb host feature and you could attach and use an externally powered hard drive.. but that was a protoype ..on the release version this feature was killed.. im guessing since the processor and hardware are the same of the prototype and the release version maybe its a software related obstacle and someone would be able to cross this hurdle soon!!! :)

[Phoenix]

This phone looks great, but I wish there were a few changes. I can't figure out why it's so difficult for manufacturers to go all the way with these devices instead of leaving out important components. I'd like to see one phone get it all right, for once.

1.) Needs quad-band GSM (what is the fixation on tri-band these days?)
2.) Needs EDGE (not everyone has 3G available to them, and not all who do can afford it).
3.) Needs dual-band UMTS

These three things would make any phone a true world-phone.


4.) Needs a VGA screen
5.) Needs 128MB RAM


These five changes would make this phone perfect, IMO. Other than this, the specs look fantastic!

[Jonathon Watkins]

According to the spec sheet its USB 1.1 host and slave. No USB 2 is sight :(

Hmm, looks like they ditched the v2.0 specification. Boooo! :(

:| Bother. That was a *great* feature. :?

[Nurhisham Hussein]

hi
what lends support to my WISH is the fact that when engadget had the htc universal for testing they mentioned that it had usb host feature and you could attach and use an externally powered hard drive.. but that was a protoype ..on the release version this feature was killed.. im guessing since the processor and hardware are the same of the prototype and the release version maybe its a software related obstacle and someone would be able to cross this hurdle soon!!! :)

I doubt it's software related - as I said, the drivers and corresponding registry entries are already present in Windows Mobile 5.0, as it was in WM2003SE on back. More specifically, it's a hardware connection that's usually missing - typically to the USB port - since Intel's PXA27x processors all support USB Host in hardware already. You need to be able to supply power through the port as well, which implies a further connection to the battery.

Cases in point are the HTC Magician, and the Universal as you've noted. I actually tested out a Magician for this, even added custom drivers (you can download WM2003SE drivers for free from Ratoc Systems - look up their CF USB Host card) - doesn't work.