The Fujitsu-Siemens T800 Series and Product Roadmap

[Darius Wey]

<a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44997">Okay, no more teasing.</a> While we aren't making any promises on the legitimacy of the following news, it seems valid enough to put an end to the topsy-turvy events that transpired over the past few months.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20060113-FSLT800.jpg" /><br /><i>Key not included.</i><br /><br />First, we'll focus on the upcoming Fujitsu-Siemens T800 Pocket PC Phone Edition series (pictured above). According to <a href="http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=nl_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pocketinfo.nl%2fartikel%2f5015">Pocketinfo.nl</a>, two models, the T810 and the T830, will be officially released on July 15 and July 3 respectively (note they'll also be unveiled for the first time at 3GSM on February 13). With the exception of the two-megapixel camera in the T830, they're essentially the same model: Intel XScale 416MHz processor, 64MB RAM, 128MB ROM, a 240 x 240 display, GSM and UMTS support, 802.11b/g Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 2.0, integrated GPS (SiRFstar III), an SDIO/SD/MMC slot, a thumb-board, and of course, Windows Mobile 5.0. It'll measure in at 4.9" x 2.5" x 0.8" (12.6cm x 6.4cm x 2.1cm) and weigh 6.7oz (190g). iPAQ hw6900 killer? Most likely.<br /><br />Now, we catch a glimpse of the Fujitsu-Siemens product roadmap for 2006 (from <a href="http://brighthand.com/article/Pocket_Loox_Roadmap_for_2006">Brighthand</a>). The high-end N500 series model, the N560, will be here in March with some very nice specs to please the geeks amongst us (624MHz processor, VGA screen, GPS, among other things). Those of you who can't wait until March can settle for a similar offering in February where the C550 will offer a 520MHz processor, a 3.5" VGA screen, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and USB-Host.<br /><br />Dell and HP, where are you? :sleeping: ;)

[Menneisyys]

While the C550 and the N560 are indeed nice devices, they both (seem to) lack the Intel 2700g controller, which starts to become essential for everyone that likes games and/or wants a VGA output. This is a cardinal mistake from F-S.

BTW, as far as the original BrightHand article is concerned: the N560 will have 256M Flash ROM, not RAM. Unfortunately, it seems both the two VGA devices will only have 64M of RAM.

I'm not particularly pleased with the T810/T830 either. I'd like to see a HTC Universal killer - that is, a device with a VGA screen and with much better capabilities (faster CPU, more RAM, real USB host, hardware buttons, preferably no silly thumbboard, EDGE support, 2700g) than the Universal.

[alese]

I'm not particularly pleased with the T810/T830 either. I'd like to see a HTC Universal killer - that is, a device with a VGA screen and with much better capabilities (faster CPU, more RAM, real USB host, hardware buttons, preferably no silly thumbboard, EDGE support, 2700g) than the Universal.

I would also like to see better version of Universal with specs listed above, but it looks that at least for now the 240x240 phone editions are much more popular...
Also why would the FS T800 be an Ipaq killer, I would say that at least based on specs this is a killer of any small GSM Phone Edition, including Treo and Wizard.

[Darius Wey]

Also why would the FS T800 be an Ipaq killer, I would say that at least based on specs this is a killer of any small GSM Phone Edition, including Treo and Wizard.

Why not? Have you seen the specs and form factor of the iPAQ hw6900 series? http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=45550

Both have thumb-boards, 416MHz processors, GPS, and 64MB RAM. However, the T800 series takes it to the next level with 802.11g Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 2.0, an SDIO/SD/MMC slot (over the hw6900's miniSD), and UMTS support.

[pocketpcadmirer]

Both have thumb-boards, 416MHz processors, GPS, and 64MB RAM. However, the T800 series takes it to the next level with 802.11g Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 2.0, an SDIO/SD/MMC slot (over the hw6900's miniSD), and UMTS support.

Yes having SD instead of mini-SD is a big plus for me. And both of the units looks like 'brothers'

I'm indeed impressed with fujitsu quality and the advancement they've made in the PDA field in such a short span

And yes you're right..where's DELL and HP(went fishing !!)

Sunny :lol:

[Phoenix]

I'd also like to see an updated Universal with MUCH better wireless (quad-band GSM, EDGE, WiFi-g, BT 2.0), double the RAM, Intel 2700g, and integrated SSIII-based GPS. But I would still want the keyboard as this has become a necessity for me (blue backlighting next time around instead of red would be preferrable! :) ).

But aside from that wish, this new T830 looks really nice and has fantastic specs (a bit better than HP's 6900 (still don't know what GPS chipset the HP has)), but I'm just not into those square screens. If they had put a standard rectangular screen and VGA, I wouldn't hestitate to buy something like this, but for now, I'm staying clear of the "squares".

[KTamas]

I hoped that this device will have at least a 240×320 screen...oh well, I'll just keep on waiting.

[Gti]

I hoped that this device will have at least a 240×320 screen...oh well, I'll just keep on waiting.
I was sure about it. 240 x 240 isn't a good news...
Ciao, Gianni.

[gibson042]

I'd like to see a HTC Universal killer - that is, a device with a VGA screen and with much better capabilities (faster CPU, more RAM, real USB host, hardware buttons, preferably no silly thumbboard, EDGE support, 2700g) than the Universal.
The T800 series was my hope for this too. Now that it's been dashed, we probably won't see another VGA Phone until next year, or at best November- December of this year. The Universal still stands alone.

[Dermot81]

I'd like to see some more 2700g devices too :(

The axim 50v would be perfect, if it had the same quality screen as the HP 4700.

[DaleReeck]

I'd like to see a HTC Universal killer - that is, a device with a VGA screen and with much better capabilities (faster CPU, more RAM, real USB host, hardware buttons, preferably no silly thumbboard, EDGE support, 2700g) than the Universal.
The Universal still stands alone.

Unfortunatley, it only stands alone in Europe and a few other select countries around the world :) Triband only hurts it's use in the US, especially on Cingular. Even T-Mobile is adding 850MHZ towers to its 1900MHZ system and of course its the 850 that the Universal is missing. Also, the Universal's UTMS is not frequency compatible with the one Cingular is testing in the US. And because it has no EDGE, it only works on slow GPRS in the US.

The Universal is close as soimeone said. Just add quad band, support for EDGE and both 1800 and 2100MHZ UTMS frquencies and then it's a "true" world device, US included. Also, "g" wireless and BT 2.0 could complete the "Universal II" update :)

Another good CDMA based phone is the HTC 6700 and the Samsung I730. Great phone form factor, all the features you would want but missing VGA screens. And, of course, the imfamous missing camera from the I730.

[Sven Johannsen]

[The Universal is close as soimeone said. Just add quad band, support for EDGE and both 1800 and 2100MHZ UTMS frquencies and then it's a "true" world device, US included. Also, "g" wireless and BT 2.0 could complete the "Universal II" update :)

Couple of things I'd like to see on the Universal, beyond what has been listed, is a small external screen, like most 'clamshell' phones, and buttons that actually work when the device is closed. A CF slot would actually be nice IMHO. Throw a big microdrive or CF card in there and it would make a fair little media device. Yea a little shy for gamers, but I not one, so heck with 'em. ;)

[gibson042]

The Universal still stands alone.

Unfortunatley, it only stands alone in Europe and a few other select countries around the world :)
Don't get me wrong; I think there's a lot of room for improvement on the Universal (my ideal hardware would be the superset of all mentioned suggestions). But despite its shortcomings, it is very usable... even in the US. I don't have mine yet, but as soon as I see one for around $600 I am snapping it up and switching to T-Mobile so I can use it. Complete with spotty coverage, slow-as-molasses GPRS, and the eventual rollout of incompatible UMTS.

[QYV]

I'd like to see a HTC Universal killer - that is, a device with a VGA screen and with much better capabilities (faster CPU, more RAM, real USB host, hardware buttons, preferably no silly thumbboard, EDGE support, 2700g) than the Universal.

Ummm, and then it would cost so much that everyone would laugh and say "these crazy companies that think we'll pay $1000 for a Pocket PC when I can get a nice laptop for less!". :roll:

EDGE and quad-band, on the other hand, are surprising omissions.

[pocketpcadmirer]

I hoped that this device will have at least a 240×320 screen...oh well, I'll just keep on waiting.

I guess u will have to wait more..because u have BA,which also has slid-in keyboard

Sunny :wink:

[possmann]

Well it;s a nice device but there are 2 things - Price point - Fujitsu is going to be high. and Availblity - there is no way we are going to see any carriers in the USA pick this thing up.

As for an ipaq killer? Better form factor and features for sure but back to my two points above.

Treo - love mine... that 700w is great. Little light on some of the features - wifi in particular, but the form factor and ease of use (especially true one hand operation) is flippin' great!

[alese]

Also why would the FS T800 be an Ipaq killer, I would say that at least based on specs this is a killer of any small GSM Phone Edition, including Treo and Wizard.

Why not? Have you seen the specs and form factor of the iPAQ hw6900 series? http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=45550

Both have thumb-boards, 416MHz processors, GPS, and 64MB RAM. However, the T800 series takes it to the next level with 802.11g Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 2.0, an SDIO/SD/MMC slot (over the hw6900's miniSD), and UMTS support.

My bad, I wanted to say why would be "just" an Ipaq killer...

[jasondearyou]

i think the c550 or the n560 will be my next pda, by the time they come out i'll have enough.... lol 0X