Treo 700w Manual Now Available

[Ed Hansberry]

<a href="https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=594787&amp;native_or_pdf=pdf">https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=594787&amp;native_or_pdf=pdf</a><br /><br />The Palm Treo 700w manual is available now at the FCC site. Just browsing through it Palm has done a lot of neat little things. Just take a look at the Today screen. You can do a web search or find a contact without having without having to launch anything. They also have a battery bar at the top. Palm has made the Today screen quite powerful, so if you get this device, whether you are a long time Palm OS user or Windows Mobile user, you'll want to dig into the manual and see what goodies Palm has added to this device.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2005/20051204-treotodayscreen.jpg" /><br /><br />One of these items in particular that caught my eye is they have addressed the 7 tap problem (Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|{select app}|Stop) of closing applications. :way to go: More than anything, they have acknowledged that users will actually <i>need</i> to close applications, something Microsoft has yet to do. :( It is a simple three step process.<br /><br />1. Press and hold OK to open the Memory Settings screen.<br />2. On the Running Programs tab, do one of the following:<br />• Select the application you want to close, and then select Stop to close it.<br />• Select Stop All to close all of your open applications.<br /><br />Well done Palm.

[Fishie]

Well done Palm.

Are you feeling ok Ed?

[Ed Hansberry]

Are you feeling ok Ed?
That did feel really strange. That all "icky inside" feeling. :rotfl:

[stevelam]

Well done Palm.

Please dont say that again. It makes me feel sick. :pukeface2:

:lol:

[pocketdoc]

Wisbar has nicely addressed this issue of closing oen programs with only two clicks.

I can't wait until the reviews. This looks like it may be our companies next phone. We are currently using Blackberries and although they are quite useful, I am of course a big Windows Mobile fan.

It would also be so much fun purchasing a WM device from Palm.

[Duncan]

Why be so congratulatory to Palm over the tap to close issue? They have only implemented what countless tiny free apps for the PPC have done for years now. Yes - that isn't the same as out of the box - but most PPC manufacturers have been including free apps in the ROM to fix this issue for a long time.

As for the various free apps - as pocketdoc points out - others have mnade this a two tap process (certainly it has been a long time since I needed to do more than two taps to close issue.

Good on Palm for the Today improvements mind - though again - any OEM could do this.

[Darius Wey]

A square-sized manual to go with a square-screen device. Brilliant engineering!

[pocketpcadmirer]

A square-sized manual to go with a square-screen device. Brilliant engineering!

Hey watchout sir darius !! You nearly made me fall off my chair !!

Well, we should not yammer about Palm's stuff..Lets see how other manufactures take this.. :?:

Sunny

[Ed Hansberry]

Good on Palm for the Today improvements mind - though again - any OEM could do this.
any OEM could do anything. I like to recognize the OEM that actually do something.

[Duncan]

Good on Palm for the Today improvements mind - though again - any OEM could do this.
any OEM could do anything. I like to recognize the OEM that actually do something.

Well yes - which is why I agree it is good on Palm for doing what any OEM should be able to do...! :)

[IpaqMan2]

Why be so congratulatory to Palm over the tap to close issue? They have only implemented what countless tiny free apps for the PPC have done for years now. Yes - that isn't the same as out of the box - but most PPC manufacturers have been including free apps in the ROM to fix this issue for a long time.

Never the less I still think this is a big issue....and a significant move for Palm
Microsoft sometimes gives me the impression that no one in their company really uses a Pocket PC for anything but a paper weight. There are significant improvements that the PPC needs to have. IMO the today's screen without plugins on the PPC is about as useless for a mobile device as a 10 pound weight built in to a PDA. The 7 tap problem has always been the BIGGEST stumbleing block for PPCs since their beginning because it's too many taps for a device that should work easily when you are on the go, not have you completly stop walking or pull over to the side in your car just to whip out your stylus and accurate tap 7 times.

Of course there are other "free" programs out there that have done this and other OEMs have also add these programs, but I believe this is one of the first for a phone pda that I have seen to make this much of a drastic change. Good going Palm.. I wonder if they can build a better PPC than most other OEMs.

[gt24]

I still want one of their consumer devices to go Windows Mobile, like one of the Tungsten line devices. If anything, Palm will introduce something new to the table (flip cover, tiny devices, neat software innovations, good sync port) while also continuing to do some of the dumber things I have ever seen (battery not replacable, no power led, as well as other odd quirks). Eitherways, it would certainly introduce a bit of different competition in the pocket pc field...

[SteveHoward999]

Wisbar has nicely addressed this issue of closing oen programs with only two clicks.

One. Press and hold the icon in the taskbar ...


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[Patrick Y.]

Nice!! :lol:

[PPCMD]

One of these items in particular that caught my eye is they have addressed the 7 tap problem (Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|{select app}|Stop) of closing applications. :way to go: More than anything, they have acknowledged that users will actually need to close applications, something Microsoft has yet to do. :( It is a simple three step process.

1. Press and hold OK to open the Memory Settings screen.
2. On the Running Programs tab, do one of the following:
• Select the application you want to close, and then select Stop to close it.
• Select Stop All to close all of your open applications.

Well done Palm.

Did I miss something here. Palm really hasn't fixed the problem that MS has yet to address. They only made a built in shortcut to the memory mgr so we can stop the app. To me at least for this to be fixed Palm would have need to just have us tap and hold teh "ok" button and have the app stop.

Still this is quicker way out of the box but I also own about 5 task managers too.

[ventivent]

As much as I've been anticipating a good PPC device on Verizon's EVDO network (I sold my JAM and switched from T-mobile), the 240x240 screen is really beginning to look dated.

[PPCMD]

For some it may not look good, but since I have used the 6515 for a few months its fine for me and for what I am doing.

[Chairman Clench]

...while also continuing to do some of the dumber things I have ever seen (battery not replacable, no power led, as well as other odd quirks). ...

Have no fear, Palm didn't exceed your expectations...

I read through the manual Ed posted about. Palm placed the soft reset button UNDER the batter door. To soft reset the device you have to remove the battery door!!! UGH! :roll:

[Pinnacle]

...while also continuing to do some of the dumber things I have ever seen (battery not replacable, no power led, as well as other odd quirks). ...

Have no fear, Palm didn't exceed your expectations...

I read through the manual Ed posted about. Palm placed the soft reset button UNDER the batter door. To soft reset the device you have to remove the battery door!!! UGH! :roll:
That's what they've done with their current Treo 650. Luckily, there are 3rd party battery doors made that address this issue that are sold fairly cheap. Hope they come to the rescue of this one, as well.

[Chairman Clench]

That's what they've done with their current Treo 650. Luckily, there are 3rd party battery doors made that address this issue that are sold fairly cheap. Hope they come to the rescue of this one, as well.

Me too... I'm seriously considering this one. I hate the 240x240 screen deal, but everything else looks pretty sweet. The only other thing that would hold me back is it it doesn't work with the factory bluetooth kit in my car. I don't care about the phonebook transfer deal, but I want the built-in speakerphone to work.

The Treo's form-factor is simply excellent. I can't wait to place this and the PPC-6700 side by side and make a decision.

[JonMisurda]

I was so enamored at the obvious usefulness of the search today screen plugin that I wrote my own today.

You can read about it and download it to help me test it by visiting my blog: http://www.cs.pitt.edu/~jmisurda/ppc/blog/index.php?entry=entry051204-182826

Please let me know how it works, and if you can answer some of the testing questions I have.

Thanks!

Jon

[callmemoe]

Keep in mind though that this was a joint effort between Palm and Microsoft so while Palm could implement some things, I am sure there were a million compromises. Somehow, MS has convinced themselves that no one ever needs to close an application while Palm has convinced themselves that you always need to close them.

I am still excited about this product and it may be the first converged device I am truly interested in. There were many things about Palm that I loved and there are many things about WM that I love. I am interested to see if they found a good medium between the two.

[DaleReeck]

I agree as some suggested. Three clicks is still two clicks too many to close an app. Press the X. App closes. What is the difficulty in implementing this?

[pocketdoc]

Wisbar again solves the problem of using a reset button. You can set one of the buttons on the task bar to perform a soft reset.

[PetiteFlower]

Pocket Plus is my friend. Tap X. App closes. Simple.

[marlof]

Wisbar again solves the problem of using a reset button. You can set one of the buttons on the task bar to perform a soft reset.

Which is nice. But which doesn't help you much if your Pocket PC hangs, and no screen touch can help you. You need to get to a hardware soft reset button at that time. But I don't see the big problem. I soft reset once a week (or so) through software (Pocket Plus), and only have to use a hardware button about two or three times a year. And then only when I'm testing new software. Those two or three times, I don't mind taking off the battery door. :)

[jeasher]

Do they have any software fixes for the square screen?

[k_kirk]

Palm placed the soft reset button UNDER the batter door. To soft reset the device you have to remove the battery door!!! UGH! :roll:
Guess I know why... No Palm device ever needed as many resets as do PocketPC devices... Guess those poor sods engineering the 700w just don't know what they got into yet! :wink:

[jeasher]

Palm placed the soft reset button UNDER the batter door. To soft reset the device you have to remove the battery door!!! UGH! :roll:
Guess I know why... No Palm device ever needed as many resets as do PocketPC devices... Guess those poor sods engineering the 700w just don't know what they got into yet! :wink:Riiight. The Treo 650 never needs to soft reset. :roll:

[surur]

Do they have any software fixes for the square screen?

Interestingly enough a work around of a kind is going around. If you run Navidot you can map the 240x240 screen to 240x320, and run all the software than needs the full resolution. This has been shown to work on the HP 6515.

Surur

[unxmully]

I foresee interesting times ahead as the two differing cultures of Palm and PocketPC begin a closer interaction than they've had in the past :devilboy:

Both have a certain arrogance - Palm with "We don' need no steenkin' multitasking" and Microsoft with "we'll close the appplications when we need to, don't you worry about it" - so I'm looking forward to how they both adapt on this device.

[pocketpcadmirer]

Palm placed the soft reset button UNDER the batter door. To soft reset the device you have to remove the battery door!!! UGH! :roll:
Guess I know why... No Palm device ever needed as many resets as do PocketPC devices... Guess those poor sods engineering the 700w just don't know what they got into yet! :wink:Riiight. The Treo 650 never needs to soft reset. :roll:

But the time u have lots of apps on ur devise, it starts to behave in a bizarre manner. Even great devises like treo 650 also hang and as a result of which they also have to go in for soft reset.

Sunny :lol:

[pocketpcadmirer]

I foresee interesting times ahead as the two differing cultures of Palm and PocketPC begin a closer interaction than they've had in the past :devilboy:

Both have a certain arrogance - Palm with "We don' need no steenkin' multitasking" and Microsoft with "we'll close the appplications when we need to, don't you worry about it" - so I'm looking forward to how they both adapt on this device.

and almost whenever you make the devise running 8-9 apps switch-off(suspend), and then when u swtich it on again it slows down considerably..odd..but true

Also palm is making win mobile to act like a palm..ie wen u r done with a particular app..just close it, which is the 'palm' way

Sunny

[stevelam]

Good on Palm for the Today improvements mind - though again - any OEM could do this.
any OEM could do anything. I like to recognize the OEM that actually do something.

Yeh but even HP managed to do it on my h2210 with iTask.

[msafi]

but with treo 650, launching apps is almost instantaneous. with my htc wizard, launching apps takes a few seconds. leaving apps open so that i can switch to them more quickly later on the pocket-pc platform helps. just my opinion.

[Gex]

http://www.vzwshop.com/treo700w/

Edited: Thanks for the link, but 540KB image is BRUTAL on our GPRS users browsing the forums - replaced with a link to the page 8O

[Gex]

:D It was only 52K but understood :)

[Ed Hansberry]

:D It was only 52K but understood :)

Oh, then my mistake. I was 99% sure I saw 540,xxx as the size. I wouldn't have done it for 52KB. :oops: No matter... I am going to put that on the front page tomorrow with credit to you. Good catch. :)

[PPCMD]

There are alot of apps out now that support 240*240 and more will be coming. One big benefit for the 240*240 screen is that the Treo is so popular that developers would be missing out if they didn't offer square aware apps. So heres to a quick arrival of the Treo 700w.

[ckeegan]

I'm sure this may not be news to many of you, but I thought I would spread the love(I'm personally waiting for the XV6700). Some of us over at pdaphonehome and hofo have been snooping around the Verizon cache for the past couple days, and treo images have been uploaded to not only the test cache, but the real cache as well:

http://cache.vzw.com/images_b2c/phones/lg/treo_700w.jpg

From the detective work I have been able to do, this only occurs about 4 weeks prior to a release(i.e.: 22 days for the i730, 33 days for the Razr, and 5 days for the e815). The image above was uploaded at 8:30am on 12/6/05 along with comparable images of the XV6700:

http://cache.vzw.com/images_b2c/phones/lg/vzw_xv6700.jpg

[John Blasdell]

Questions for anyone who has read the manual -- Has VZW crippled the Bluetooth on this model (like prior VZW phones), or does the manual contain instructions on using BT with more than headset and hands-free profiles?

Does the manual say which version of Bluetooth is used?