View Full Version : Pocket LOOX N Series Product Page at Fujitsu-Siemens
Darius Wey
10-05-2005, 02:00 PM
<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/products/mobile/handhelds/pocket_loox_n_series.html' target='_blank'>http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/prod...x_n_series.html</a><br /><br /></div><i>"The Pocket LOOX N Series is the first handheld from Fujitsu Siemens Computers combining integrated GPS solution and Windows Mobile 5.0 Premium Edition in an outstanding design. The new Office Mobile Suite increases productivity and gives you access to all critical business information, regardless of your location. Wireless LAN (depending on model) and Infrared are integrated for optimized connection everywhere. Expand your Pocket LOOX N Series with SD-I/O / MM cards for storing data, backup and additional applications like navigation, multimedia and more. Special designed and tested navigation bundles make the Pocket LOOX N Series the perfect handheld for private and professional use."</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20050928-N500.jpg" /><br /><br />The upcoming N500 and N520 GPS Pocket PCs have just been posted on the Fujitsu-Siemens website. Based on what's listed on the <a href="http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/products/mobile/handhelds/pocket_loox_n_series.html">web page</a> and <a href="http://vilpublic.fujitsu-siemens.com/vil/pc/vil/datenblaetter/handheld/ds_pocket_loox_n_series.pdf">data sheet (PDF)</a>, we can now confirm that the devices feature SDIO/MMC slots, GPS, 802.11g Wi-Fi (N520 only), but no Bluetooth. Both include <a href="http://www.navigon.com/site/int/en/mobile_navigation/mobile_navigator">Navigon MobileNavigator|5 software</a> and Windows Mobile 5.0.
WillyG
10-05-2005, 02:16 PM
"we can now confirm that the devices feature SDIO/MMC slots, GPS, 802.11g Wi-Fi (N520 only), but no Bluetooth."
That icon in the lower right corner (tray) looks like a bluetooth icon :?:
Duncan
10-05-2005, 02:21 PM
"we can now confirm that the devices feature SDIO/MMC slots, GPS, 802.11g Wi-Fi (N520 only), but no Bluetooth."
That icon in the lower right corner (tray) looks like a bluetooth icon :?:
The N500 and N520 do not have Bluetooth. That is something I can absolutely confirm. Controversial maybe - but FSC made the decision to include GPS and USB host in their new low end, and added 802.11g to their new mid range, while keeping BT out to keep costs down.
The picture is not, however, necessarily inaccurate.
Menneisyys
10-05-2005, 03:18 PM
while keeping BT out to keep costs down.
Just with the iPAQ rx1950.
ricksfiona
10-05-2005, 03:30 PM
I guess vendors need to take a loss on equipment at least once to figure out they need to include Bluetooth in their PDAs...
[quote=WillyG]... while keeping BT out to keep costs down.
I think the Bt is out to not risk to harm the market of the LOOX 720. The pre-release model I have was engineered to have the Bluetooth, so the costs to implement it now are very little (Bt chips cost few Dollars, and drivers are free from Ms...).
Hard decision, but indispensable. Who will buy the 720 model if there is another one (N520) with Bt/WiFI/Gps enabled? Sure, without Vga, but very small and lightweight...
Ciao, Gianni.
Menneisyys
10-05-2005, 04:13 PM
[quote=WillyG]... while keeping BT out to keep costs down.
I think the Bt is out to not risk to harm the market of the LOOX 720. The pre-release model I have was engineered to have the Bluetooth, so the costs to implement it now are very little (Bt chips cost few Dollars, and drivers are free from Ms...).
Hard decision, but indispensable. Who will buy the 720 model if there is another one (N520) with Bt/WiFI/Gps enabled? Sure, without Vga, but very small and lightweight...
Ciao, Gianni.
Well, I'd never trade in my PL720 for an N520 - it's just inferior in almost every respect (except for 802.11g and GPS. WM5's superiority is also reqlly questionable before all the top programs (for example, NetFront) are all upgraded to be WM5-compliant).
That is, I don't think F-S has left out BT just not to make a PL720-killer. The n520 is a mediocre device compared to high-end Pocket PC's.
Well, I'd never trade in my PL720 for an N520
I'd never too, but I've (like u) the 720 and I know it. You have to look to users that don't have it, and are coming, for example, from an iPaq 3970... That people could be very sharmed by a good device, with Bt/WiFI/Gps (with software) integrated. The risk is high that they consider to buy the N520 and not the LOOX 720.
Not all the users are 'power' lik u... ;)
- it's just inferior in almost every respect
I'm not so sure: it's extremely fast (I'll publish soon the benchs of the graphic: 4000+ with Spb...), for example...
... WM5's superiority is also reqlly questionable before all the top programs (for example, NetFront) are all upgraded to be WM5-compliant).I agree.
That is, I don't think F-S has left out BT just not to make a PL720-killer. Never said that the N520 could be a killer. I said it could 'harm the market of the 720'.
The n520 is a mediocre device compared to high-end Pocket PC's.Try it, then say again;)
Ciao, Gianni.
P.s. Congrats for all your tips and articles.
Menneisyys
10-05-2005, 05:27 PM
I'm not so sure: it's extremely fast (I'll publish soon the benchs of the graphic: 4000+ with Spb...), for example...
Well, synthetic (Spb Benchmark) graphics performance doesn't really show anything IMHO. That is, for example, a 3D game won't be much faster (if at all) on the N520 than on, say, the PL720 or any Pocket PC that has a much lower Spb Benchmark gfx score.
As far as 2D rendering speed is concerned, a QVGA device will always be faster at that than a VGA one. Even my aged iPAQ 3660 is much faster than my PL720 (or any VGA device) at, say, rendering the Programs screen.
P.s. Congrats for all your tips and articles.
Thanks :)
huangzhinong
10-05-2005, 05:41 PM
Until I see it, I won't believe a 312Mhz WM5 machine is extremely fast. WM5 is well known slow. 312Mhz is the slowest CPU so far. No magic here.
Menneisyys
10-05-2005, 05:47 PM
Well, I'd never trade in my PL720 for an N520
I'd never too, but I've (like u) the 720 and I know it. You have to look to users that don't have it, and are coming, for example, from an iPaq 3970... That people could be very sharmed by a good device, with Bt/WiFI/Gps (with software) integrated. The risk is high that they consider to buy the N520 and not the LOOX 720.
Not all the users are 'power' lik u... ;)
IMHO, the n500/n520 are worthy rivals of the Mio GPS series and not that of high-end PPC's. The latter are not WM5/have no Wi-Fi.
Menneisyys
10-05-2005, 05:50 PM
312Mhz is the slowest CPU so far.
Well, the iPAQ rz1715 has an even slower (203 MHz) CPU, which is about 1.5 times slower than 312 MHz Xscales (see for example the CPU benchmarks here (http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ipaq_rz1715.htm)).
Darius Wey
10-05-2005, 05:51 PM
Until I see it, I won't believe a 312Mhz WM5 machine is extremely fast. WM5 is well known slow. 312Mhz is the slowest CPU so far. No magic here.
On a QVGA device, it might not be as bad as you think. Even K-JAM users with their 200MHz OMAP aren't complaining.
Remember the Samsung S3C2410 266MHz processors in the old iPAQ h1940? Awful clock speed on paper, but blazingly fast in-hand.
huangzhinong
10-05-2005, 08:00 PM
Until I see it, I won't believe a 312Mhz WM5 machine is extremely fast. WM5 is well known slow. 312Mhz is the slowest CPU so far. No magic here.
On a QVGA device, it might not be as bad as you think. Even K-JAM users with their 200MHz OMAP aren't complaining.
Remember the Samsung S3C2410 266MHz processors in the old iPAQ h1940? Awful clock speed on paper, but blazingly fast in-hand.
OMAP is dual core. Samsung 266MHz is well known as fast as 400mhz xscale. My h1945 is much faster than h2210.
By the way, I don't trust any benchmark.
Well, synthetic (Spb Benchmark) graphics performance doesn't really show anything IMHO.
Yes, I think so and always said so. It was just an example (other benchs demonstrate what you say).
But in use N500 is faster and faster not only then the LOOX 720. It's incredibly fast. But ther's a thing that doesn't let me sure about its real performance: some modules and routines in the pre-release device I'm testing are not implemented. Just for example, Pim doesn't work, Gps doesn't work, etc.
So I doubt that the system is so fast because it's free from a lot of processes. I'm cheking.
Anyway: the machine I have is very, very, very fast. If it will have the same performance when on the market, well, it will be a great device.
Ciao, Gianni.
Radimus
10-06-2005, 12:23 AM
didn't someone post that this was to have an integrated cell, PPC phone style??
no bluetooth & no cell... kills this
gibson042
10-06-2005, 07:15 AM
didn't someone post that this was to have an integrated cell, PPC phone style??
The early info was to expect four new Pocket Loox models (one source may have said three). These two replace the 400 series. The remaining model(s) will replace the 700 series. "Loox" for VGA, 802.11g, Bluetooth—and just maybe an integrated mobile phone. 8)
Darius Wey
10-06-2005, 08:05 AM
OMAP is dual core. Samsung 266MHz is well known as fast as 400mhz xscale. My h1945 is much faster than h2210.
Right. My point is, clock speeds aren't the best of all indicators, and I don't see the PXA27x's as a standard to compare against.
By the way, I don't trust any benchmark.
Neither. And as you said so yourself, you need to use it in real-life to see the results.
Radimus
10-06-2005, 01:42 PM
Oh well, looks like I'm headed for the k-Jam
gibson042
10-06-2005, 04:00 PM
I wouldn't give up yet. The 700 series had a dedicated speaker for VoIP. Is it really a very big leap from that to an actual GSM or CDMA radio in its successors?
Chris112
10-21-2005, 02:38 AM
when will this n520 be available? and where is the best location to get it?
Duncan
10-21-2005, 02:46 AM
when will this n520 be available? and where is the best location to get it?
How do you expect anyone to answer that question when you don't even indicate where you live? Might help narrow down the several thousand potential retailers, throughout the known world, that you could be pointed towards...!
Chris112
10-21-2005, 12:33 PM
when will this n520 be available? and where is the best location to get it?
How do you expect anyone to answer that question when you don't even indicate where you live? Might help narrow down the several thousand potential retailers, throughout the known world, that you could be pointed towards...!
Sorry I never thought of that as an issue. As far as I knew products usually came out at one release date. Where you lived may of made a day or 2 diffence at the most.
For the record its in Connecticut.
Menneisyys
10-21-2005, 12:40 PM
Sorry I never thought of that as an issue. As far as I knew products usually came out at one release date. Where you lived may of made a day or 2 diffence at the most.
Unless you live in Europe....
Duncan
10-21-2005, 12:44 PM
when will this n520 be available? and where is the best location to get it?
How do you expect anyone to answer that question when you don't even indicate where you live? Might help narrow down the several thousand potential retailers, throughout the known world, that you could be pointed towards...!
Sorry I never thought of that as an issue. As far as I knew products usually came out at one release date. Where you lived may of made a day or 2 diffence at the most.
For the record its in Connecticut.
The point I was making is that this is an international site and we live in many different countries. I was after the country you live in - not US state.
To date no Pocket Loox has been directly released in the US. Retailers such as www.expansys-usa.com or www.clove.co.uk do sell them to people in the US though. Expected release date of the English OS edition is early November.
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