iTunes for Windows Mobile?

[Darius Wey]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.schrankmonster.de/PermaLink,guid,31ea54ff-e516-499c-8447-fecea62316b9.aspx' target='_blank'>http://www.schrankmonster.de/PermaL...cea62316b9.aspx</a><br /><br /></div><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20050928-iTunesWM.jpg" /><br /><br />The pictures are there, the supporting info is there - yet unless I have a working demo in my hands, I'll continue to believe that this is a fake. Sure enough, it's easy to see why iTunes exists on a Windows PC. The application is the iPod's desktop companion, and with thousands of iPod users worldwide using Windows over Mac OS, it makes plenty of sense for Apple to support both platforms.<br /><br />Now what would Apple have to gain from having iTunes support the Windows Mobile platform? I can only list a small number of Pocket PCs out there with USB-Host - so Apple would have to be out of their mind to think iTunes for Windows Mobile would open up a whole new world of iPod sync functionality. Now if you wanted to argue that this isn't about having iPods sync with another platform, but rather Apple wanting to tap even further into the mobile media market by shutting off Windows Media Player Mobile, then this would appear to be a pretty brash move on Apple's part, because wouldn't that just eat into iPod sales?<br /><br />I could go on forever, but I won't. Remember, <a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?action=expand,38917">a little bit of free time and a little bit of imagination can get you anywhere</a>.

[KTamas]

Seriously, fakers should be a little bit higher quailty.

1. His phone is in Vibrate mode, so there is no sound, lol. Even then, he does listens to the music.
2. The buttons have taken 1:1 from iTunes. C'mon, this is a POCKET version. Why would they use 1:1 buttons?
3. Apple scrollbars....
4. How much time does it take make a couple of fake screenshots, then make a quick app with a fake menubar in VS2005 with the bitmaps scrolling for example?

Besides that, it still looks nice. I want a GSPlayer/Pocket Player/insert your favorite skinnable PPC media player here skin like this ;)

[Jason Dunn]

Yeah, I'm betting this is a fake. Nice work on his part, but I can't see Apple making this play. They won't support WMA in iTunes, and they certainly won't support Windows Mobile either.

[jpaq]

The asnwer to "Why" is in Forbes this month. In their Richest Americans Issue they list Steve Jobs. In his write up it says that Apple is extatic about its IPod sales, but concerned about its ITunes sales.

So, how do you fix Itunes? Make it available, and, in Apple's mind, hopefully the defacto computer, phone, PDA, music download system regardless of the OS. You don't grow a business by limiting it's accessibility. If they want ITunes to catch up, and become, or remain viable they need to be on every device possible. Maybe even web-enabled refrigerators!!!!! :lol:

[PetiteFlower]

Could someone have created a hacked version for WM?

[ChunkyMonkey]

Yeah, I'm betting this is a fake. Nice work on his part, but I can't see Apple making this play. They won't support WMA in iTunes, and they certainly won't support Windows Mobile either.

Does Windows Media support unprotected AAC files?

[stevelam]

Could someone have created a hacked version for WM?

No. Not without the source code to the original and I bet Apple don;t give it away.

Seriously though WM Itunes would be nice.

[stevelam]

Yeah, I'm betting this is a fake. Nice work on his part, but I can't see Apple making this play. They won't support WMA in iTunes, and they certainly won't support Windows Mobile either.

Does Windows Media support unprotected AAC files?

No, you'll need something like this (http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/about) with the AAC plugin that can be found here (http://www.rarewares.org/aac.html), you'll need to scroll down to about half way to see it and be sure to select the Windows Mobile Version.

[brianchris]

Uuucckkk!!!....hopefully it is a fake. Perhaps another piece of evidence that it is a fake is the fact that the device is a T-Mobile MDA II ( http://www.pdagold.com/hardware/detail.asp?DeviceID=154 ), YET is obviously running the Windows Mobile 5 OS (by the softkeys at the bottom of the screen). Very few devices are getting an upgrade to WM5, and certainly NOT the MDA II :wink:

iTunes is plain and simple SPYWARE. Why? If I want to install Quicktime (for Windows), I *HAVE* to install iTunes!!!!! That fits the definition of spyware in my book. Perhaps Apple's company slogan should be "Apple, we know more about computing than you do." Remeber folks, Microsoft got sued for similar behavior :bad-words:

[seaflipper]

Seriously, fakers should be a little bit higher quailty.

1. His phone is in Vibrate mode, so there is no sound, lol. Even then, he does listens to the music.


Can't you have vibrate for phone functions but still listen to music through the headphones?

I think that's a feature of WM5 phone edition....

[mikecel79]

iTunes is plain and simple SPYWARE. Why? If I want to install Quicktime (for Windows), I *HAVE* to install iTunes!!!!! That fits the definition of spyware in my book.

That is so not true. Right on the Quicktime download site there is a link on the right side for a Quicktime standalone installer. http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone.html. So not you don't *HAVE* to install iTunes.

[Darius Wey]

Perhaps another piece of evidence that it is a fake is the fact that the device is a T-Mobile MDA II (http://www.pdagold.com/hardware/detail.asp?DeviceID=154), YET is obviously running the Windows Mobile 5 OS (by the softkeys at the bottom of the screen). Very few devices are getting an upgrade to WM5, and certainly NOT the MDA II :wink:

You're right. The MDA II isn't receiving an official upgrade to Windows Mobile 5.0, but there have been illegitimate leaks of the OS floating around and one of the first devices to receive it was the MDA II. It's bad karma, but not one that is easily controlled.

[brianchris]

iTunes is plain and simple SPYWARE. Why? If I want to install Quicktime (for Windows), I *HAVE* to install iTunes!!!!! That fits the definition of spyware in my book.

That is so not true. Right on the Quicktime download site there is a link on the right side for a Quicktime standalone installer. http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone.html. So not you don't *HAVE* to install iTunes.

Wow, I am totally wrong, and take back my comments. Obviously I have just missed that all this time.....any chance that offering is new? A recent addition due to flack recieved? They still try and force it, but at least there is a small link on the right now.

Regardless, I was wrong. :oops:

[brianchris]

Perhaps another piece of evidence that it is a fake is the fact that the device is a T-Mobile MDA II (http://www.pdagold.com/hardware/detail.asp?DeviceID=154), YET is obviously running the Windows Mobile 5 OS (by the softkeys at the bottom of the screen). Very few devices are getting an upgrade to WM5, and certainly NOT the MDA II :wink:

You're right. The MDA II isn't receiving an official upgrade to Windows Mobile 5.0, but there have been illegitimate leaks of the OS floating around and one of the first devices to receive it was the MDA II. It's bad karma, but not one that is easily controlled.

Then maybe it isn't a fake?

[applejosh]

Wow, I am totally wrong, and take back my comments. Obviously I have just missed that all this time.....any chance that offering is new? A recent addition due to flack recieved? They still try and force it, but at least there is a small link on the right now.

Regardless, I was wrong. :oops:

First, I wouldn't call it spyware. Spyware in my mind is something that collects information about you as you go about your day without your knowledge (spyware also has the nice side effect of inserting things into the TCP/IP stack and system processes to drastically slow systems down). Bundling apps together is not exactly welcomed in my mind, but it doesn't fit the definition of spyware (or even adware). It's just an annoyance.

That said, I've always been able to get Quicktime separately from iTunes before. I do have iTunes now (because of my iPod), but in the past I never had to install iTunes to get Quicktime.

[Darius Wey]

Then maybe it isn't a fake?

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to saying it isn't a fake. At the most, it gives the guy some merit that perhaps this application really does exist, but I wouldn't bet on it.

If you read his commentary, you'll notice that he says, "...finally some more words on the technical aspects: It seems that it's entirely written in some .NET language since it requires the .NET Compact Framework 2.0 to run. And that leads me to the conclusion that there will not be an iTunes for Windows Mobile for earlier Windows Mobile versions like 2003 and 2003SE."

Straight to the point - .NET CF 2.0 is not the version shipped with Windows Mobile 5.0. Instead, it ships with .NET CF 1.0 SP3. If iTunes really required .NET CF 2.0, it would have had to be installed separately on the device. So sitting on the assumption that he had to self-deploy .NET CF v2.0, he would have had to have access to the library of .NET CF v2.0 CABs, and if you have access to the CABs, you'll know in an instant that .NET CF 2.0 well and truly supports Windows Mobile 2003 and 2003 SE.

I'd like to give the guy some kudos for putting together this whole iTunes story, but unless I see the application running with my own eyes, I'll stand by my judgement that this is a fake.

[Raphael Salgado]

Don't shoot the messenger, but the editor at msmobiles.com states that he knows a guy who knows the guy who did this and it's 100% fake.

http://www.msmobiles.com/f/viewtopic.php?t=9816

[stevelam]

Don't shoot the messenger, but the editor at msmobiles.com states that he knows a guy who knows the guy who did this and it's 100% fake.

http://www.msmobiles.com/f/viewtopic.php?t=9816

Dosent surprise me.

[Gremmie]

The asnwer to "Why" is in Forbes this month. In their Richest Americans Issue they list Steve Jobs. In his write up it says that Apple is extatic about its IPod sales, but concerned about its ITunes sales.

So, how do you fix Itunes? Make it available, and, in Apple's mind, hopefully the defacto computer, phone, PDA, music download system regardless of the OS. You don't grow a business by limiting it's accessibility. If they want ITunes to catch up, and become, or remain viable they need to be on every device possible. Maybe even web-enabled refrigerators!!!!! :lol:

The sales of iTunes doesn't matter in itself, Apple doesn't make much money. They do make money on the sales of iPods, so supporting a portable device that isn't an iPod doesn't make sense. There is a riff between Apple and the music industry because the music industry is wanting some profit from the iPod.

[saru83]

I wish it was NOT a fake, but unfortunately it turned out be be a one....

[mrozema]

The only reason this could be worth while for Apple, is if they include the iTunes store in it. Then they can at least make some money off the venture.

[Gremmie]

The only reason this could be worth while for Apple, is if they include the iTunes store in it. Then they can at least make some money off the venture.

...to which Steve Jobs recently said that he doesn't think over the air downloads would be popular.

[aNiMeMaN14]

Seriously, fakers should be a little bit higher quailty.

1. His phone is in Vibrate mode, so there is no sound, lol. Even then, he does listens to the music.
2. The buttons have taken 1:1 from iTunes. C'mon, this is a POCKET version. Why would they use 1:1 buttons?
3. Apple scrollbars....
4. How much time does it take make a couple of fake screenshots, then make a quick app with a fake menubar in VS2005 with the bitmaps scrolling for example?

Besides that, it still looks nice. I want a GSPlayer/Pocket Player/insert your favorite skinnable PPC media player here skin like this ;)

apparently someone was listening...

http://www.pocketnow.com/html/portal/news/0000003327/NewsImage/IMG_3532_thumb.jpg

[beq]

For his next trick, I would like Steve Jobs to make the iPod Nano run Windows Mobile (Pocket PC) :D