Rumors: HP hw6515 Recall + No Windows Mobile 5 Support

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

For anyone who owns the hw6515 iPaq or is thinking of buying one, we have a couple of nasty rumors that may have you running and screaming in the opposite direction. First, we've received a tip that HP is considering a recall of the hw6515 due to a GPS issue and second, we're also hearing that there will be no Windows Mobile 5.0 support offered for the hw6515 in the future.<br /><br />I certainly hope these rumors prove false, but if they aren't, then the lack of support for WM5 with the hw6515 would seem to imply that the hw6715 may suffer the same fate as well. With all the commotion around Exchange 2003 SP2 and the new messaging and security features added onto WM5, HP would not be positioning themselves well with Microsoft's messaging strategy. I will point out that HP does have a partnership agreement with GoodLink Technology and according to my own sources, there may have been some discussion on when HP should roll out Windows Mobile 5 support in consideration of this partnership. Whether that played any role in the rumors regarding WM5 support or not, I don't know.

[jeasher]

Ouch! 8O

[alabij]

I'm still in shock and awe with my h6315. I just don't see myself buying another HP phone. It is obvious that they don't have the competency and commitment for the product line.

Also Microsoft needs to take more control and responsibility in the upgradeability of Pocket PC/Phones.

I'm still mad that WM10 is not a free software upgrade. With apple comming out with an itunes phones people are talking and sqwaking like crazy. But if Microsoft had been smart enough they would have cornered this market while apple was still at the drawing board for the Ipod.

Microsoft definitely needs some management reforms. Steve Balmer needs to give this company a focus. So does HP.

[Paragon]

How many times can one company shoot themselves in the foot?

[Gremmie]

How many times can one company shoot themselves in the foot?

I don't think this is coming from the choice of HP. If you look at the decision made, it seems like 3rd-party companies are the source of problems.

[Paragon]

How many times can one company shoot themselves in the foot?

I don't think this is coming from the choice of HP. If you look at the decision made, it seems like 3rd-party companies are the source of problems.

sort of like the 4700 WM5.0 delay.....anyone see a pattern here? ....Blame it on FEMA!!

[cubed]

New Slogan:

HP: Invent...new ways to botch products

[dochall]

How many times can one company shoot themselves in the foot?

I don't think this is coming from the choice of HP. If you look at the decision made, it seems like 3rd-party companies are the source of problems.

That only means that HP cannot manage third parties correctly. The third party may introduce the problem but the blame should be laid squarely at the feet of hp (both their qa and legal teams). This too similar to the problems with the delay in the to wm5 for the 4700.

This is both a problem for HP but also the wider adoption of PPC. Microsoft must be spitting feathers - they finally have something that can match or surpass Blackberry and probably their premium OEM can't actually get it right.

If I was the product manager for PPC I would now be seriously exploring the possibility of doing something with an ODM probably HTC. If my premium OEM's can't get it right why not solve the problem internally.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Just to clarify, the source of the rumors with regards to the recall and lack of future WM5 support are different than the sources who have informed me of the impact that the GoodLink partnership had on HP's Windows Mobile 5 support schedule.

In other words, the first paragraph is based on a tip we received at PPCT and the 2nd paragraph is based on my own sources. Whether there's a connection between the two or not is purely speculation at this point.

[whydidnt]

Just to clarify, the source of the rumors with regards to the recall and lack of future WM5 support are different than the sources who have informed me of the impact that the GoodLink partnership had on HP's Windows Mobile 5 support schedule.

In other words, the first paragraph is based on a tip we received at PPCT and the 2nd paragraph is based on my own sources. Whether there's a connection between the two or not is purely speculation at this point.

In other words, Goodlink paid a lot of money to HP to be the "exclusive" push email provider and HP is trying to figure out how that can happen when MS provides push as part of WM5 and the Exchange upgrade.

I think if you start to connect the dots, you start to see how HP's greed is starting to impact their ability to deliver products in the long term, and will probably hurt their long term profits as well.

We should remember this is all rumor today, but it seems every time we turn around HP is finding a creative way to drive away customers. It makes rumors such as these more believable. :evil:

[lapchinj]

Ouch! 8O
This is exactly why I went for a Dell X50v this time. I've used an iPAQ for a number of years (since the 3600) and I've been generally happy with the product at the time I bought them but they became outdated very fast with no upgrade path. There was always something to take the smile off my face each time I bought a new iPAQ (three of them and a bunch more for some of my clients). I have my x50v now for 6-7 months and I'm still smiling.

Jeff-

[DaleReeck]

It may be true, but to me it just sounds like one of those "recall" rumors that almost always pops up for just about every device I've ever seen the second someone has a gripe with it :roll:

[Darius Wey]

I certainly hope these rumors prove false, but if they aren't, then the lack of support for WM5 with the hw6515 would seem to imply that the hw6715 may suffer the same fate as well.

I can't say for sure whether the hw6515 will or will not be receiving Windows Mobile 5.0, but I can confirm that the hw6715 will include it (or at least I hope so). More on that later.

[jeasher]

I can't say for sure whether the hw6515 will or will not be receiving Windows Mobile 5.0, but I can confirm that the hw6715 will include it (or at least I hope so).What does this mean? I can confirm that I am confused by this statement (or at least I think I am).

[Darius Wey]

What does this mean? I can confirm that I am confused by this statement (or at least I think I am).

What's so confusing about it? :?

hw6515 + Windows Mobile 5.0? Maybe.

hw6715 + Windows Mobile 5.0? Definite.

[jeasher]

What does this mean? I can confirm that I am confused by this statement (or at least I think I am).

What's so confusing about it? :?

hw6515 + Windows Mobile 5.0? Maybe.

hw6715 + Windows Mobile 5.0? Definite.OK. You said you could confirm it, at least you hope so. The above is more absolute.

[Darius Wey]

OK. You said you could confirm it, at least you hope so. The above is more absolute.

Right. So it's a case of semantics. Perhaps I'll elaborate. I've confirmed from a number of sources that it will include Windows Mobile 5.0, but based on HP's erratic behaviour, there's always a chance that they might deviate from their initial roadmap - hence, the "hoping" bit.

[invaders]

I own a HW6515 and I must say it's the worst Pocket PC I ever had !

I bought it because I liked the idea of having built-in GPS and TomTom pre-installed in the ROM. But my holiday in France was a nightmare with this device.

- Memory on the device is so tight, that Tomtom crashes every time you go to the Points-of-Interest menu.
- Battery life is ridiculous. Less then a day on a full charge. Which makes it practically useless as a phone.
- Battery drain with GPS switched on is even more ridiculous. It draws more power then the cigarette lighter can give it. So we were driving through France with the device plugged in and it would still give low battery messages and even turn off completely. The only solution was to turn off the backlight, so that we could keep navigating.
- Most of the times it took two minutes to get a GPS fix, sometimes it would not get a GPS fix at all. Soft resetting the device was usually the only remedy. I also had to hard reset it twice to get things working again.

If it weren't so expensive I would have thrown it out of the car window !

[lapchinj]

OK. You said you could confirm it, at least you hope so. The above is more absolute.
...but based on HP's erratic behaviour, there's always a chance that they might deviate from their initial roadmap - hence, the "hoping" bit.
I'm sorry but I must agree with Darius' choice of wording on the hoping bit. As we've seen in the past the only way to confirm something is when it hits the street. But even that seems not to be the case anymore since even after a product hits the street it might be recalled :? .

Also that companies who play follow the leader (MS) tend to promise the world and eventually ship something akin to Disneyland which might be OK if you have the money to buy in and are willing to live in a world of fantasise and promises.


...I bought it because I liked the idea of having built-in GPS and TomTom pre-installed in the ROM. But my holiday in France was a nightmare with this device...
If my 2cents can be of help try On Course Navigator 5. I haven't had much of any experiences with other GPS although I was once looking at TomTom before this site focused me on OCN5. I had bought Streets and Trips a while ago mainly as my initiation to GPS and that was like a bad cold although I use the desktop when at home (OCN doesn't include one - a shame). The Pharos GPS that came with Streets and Trips works flawlessly with OCN5. Maps are beautiful. If your looking for a GPS at least take a look at OCN5.

Sorry for the diversion

Jeff-

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

hw6515 + Windows Mobile 5.0? Maybe.

hw6715 + Windows Mobile 5.0? Definite.
HP will have a lot of explaining to do if they support one and not the other. Unless I'm mistaken, with exception of Wi-Fi and the SD slot, the two units should be identical.

[tsaxton]

hw6515 + Windows Mobile 5.0? Maybe.

hw6715 + Windows Mobile 5.0? Definite.
HP will have a lot of explaining to do if they support one and not the other. Unless I'm mistaken, with exception of Wi-Fi and the SD slot, the two units should be identical.

My 6515 has a total of 12.01MB of "iPaq File Store".

The way memory management is expected to work in Windows Mobile 5.0, I believe the "ROM" will need to hold the OS plus any applications that will not be installed to an external SD/mini-SD card. That would mean you could only install around 12MB worth of programs, maybe less, if the Windows Mobile 5.0 OS takes up more room in the ROM. This has led me to suspect that there wouldn't be an upgrade available for the 6515.

Maybe the 6715 will have a bigger (128MB) ROM than the 6515 (64MB).

[ctitanic]

How many times can one company shoot themselves in the foot?

I don't think this is coming from the choice of HP. If you look at the decision made, it seems like 3rd-party companies are the source of problems.

sort of like the 4700 WM5.0 delay.....anyone see a pattern here? ....Blame it on FEMA!!

That was a good one! :devilboy:

But... I believe that 50% of what HP have done in the last year is just pure Sh....t. the 6315, now the 6515 and hx4700 all of them had problems since the begining.

[Darius Wey]

Maybe the 6715 will have a bigger (128MB) ROM than the 6515 (64MB).

All signs point toward the hw6715 having 128MB ROM, which is clearly more directed towards Windows Mobile 5.0's memory management feature. Time will tell though.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Maybe the 6715 will have a bigger (128MB) ROM than the 6515 (64MB).
That would make sense then. I didn't realize the descrepancy in ROM size.

[readie]

This is not true, i know for a fact that there are no plans to recall the hw6500- trust me!

[GuardianZX9]

I do not see any of the issues that Invaders had in france,
I get a GPS lock in under 15 seconds inside the house
I do use a Factory HP cig lighter adapter that has a 2 amp raiting
to charge, if you use an aftermarket unit with less than 1 amp (1000mah)
raiting you will see the low battery issue.
I do not run TomTom out of rom and I am using the latest patch for V5
so I dont see any issues with crashing, nor did I see any before the patch.

I am using a 1550mah battery for an XDA mini most of the time so I get more than a days full use out of it, 2-3 hours of phone talk time, 30-60 min of GPS use and the rest in PDA mode.

I do however agree that there is not enough RAM, so I sent mine to PPC Techs here in the USA for a 128 meg upgrade, it should arrive Tuesday.

I will let you know how it works.

Do others notice the above issues?

GuardianZX9