Motorola RAZR Pocket PC Phone Edition Coming?

[Jason Dunn]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://pocketpcdubai.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/695604964/m/644102059' target='_blank'>http://pocketpcdubai.infopop.cc/eve...964/m/644102059</a><br /><br /></div><i>"We received the specs of the latest Motorola RAZR and our PPCD member Dania declares the new RAZR to be running the latest Windows Mobile 5. Check out the leaked presentation by Dangaard Telecom (originally linked to Microsoft site) which shows the road map of Motorola and Qtek devices including the recently leaked S110."</i><br /><br />The image below is just a mock-up, but it looks like a very interesting device, and if it's as slim as it looks, would be great competition for HP's Messenger product. I have a Motorola MPx200 Smartphone, and it's build quality is fantastic - if Motorola can bring the same consumer electronics build quality to a device like this, they could have a real winner on their hands.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/motorola-razr-ppc-phone.gif" /><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/motorola-razr-ppc-phone-big.gif">[high res version with side view]</a><br /><br />Specs indicate that it will be a quadband GSM device with EDGE wireless data, 128 MB of Flash ROM and 64 MB of RAM, a miniSD slot, and a 2.4" 320 x 240 screen. I'm not sure that last bit makes sense - the screen looks essentially square, so my hunch is that it's 240 x 240. The 1130 mAH battery is decent, and the 1.3 megapixel camera along with Bluetooth round out the offering. WiFi would be nice, but I'm not surprised to see it missing. On the Microsoft server (!!) there is a a 12 MB PowerPoint presentation with all the details that <a href="http://tinyurl.com/c34xy">you can download</a> with further details about this and other phones.

[Foo Fighter]

Oddly enough the screenshot appears to depict a VGA screen, not QVGA. :?

[Jason Dunn]

Oddly enough the screenshot appears to depict a VGA screen, not QVGA. :?

Well that's just a mock-up, so I wouldn't take that part seriously...

[Foo Fighter]

Yeah, but it still doesn't make sense compared to the alleged specs. Ah well, whatever the resolution this would be one kick ass device! :drool:

[OSUKid7]

Doesn't that image look more like a Smartphone than a PPCPE?

[Foo Fighter]

Doesn't that image look more like a Smartphone than a PPCPE?

That's because it is.

[huangzhinong]

It will be really nice if it can be PPCPE and only 240*240. 320*240 is too impossible for a lot of programs.

[SteveHoward999]

Someone needs an eye test - the screen is not square in the mock-up ... :-)

[Paragon]

Battery life "4 hours"............ Say it ain't so?

To backup what Foo Fighter says it definitely has a Smartphone Today screen, not a Pocket PC.

Dave

[Horus]

Looks like a landscape QVGA screen. (320x240) But definitely appears to be smartphone.
Cool.

[Jason Dunn]

To backup what Foo Fighter says it definitely has a Smartphone Today screen, not a Pocket PC.

Says who? You're not thinking in Windows Mobile 5 terms - that could easily be a Pocket PC today screen. Remember WM5 Pocket PCs will have the on-screen soft buttons like Smartphones do now. There's nothing in the image that indicates it's a Smartphone.

I'm betting this is a Pocket PC Phone Edition based on the use of the Intel Bulverde CPU and the 128/64 ROM/RAM configuration - if it was a Smartphone it would have lesser specs.

[ctmagnus]

:drool:

Did anyone catch the ppt? The links didn't work for me.

[Paragon]

To backup what Foo Fighter says it definitely has a Smartphone Today screen, not a Pocket PC.

Says who? You're not thinking in Windows Mobile 5 terms - that could easily be a Pocket PC today screen. Remember WM5 Pocket PCs will have the on-screen soft buttons like Smartphones do now. There's nothing in the image that indicates it's a Smartphone.

I'm betting this is a Pocket PC Phone Edition based on the use of the Intel Bulverde CPU and the 128/64 ROM/RAM configuration - if it was a Smartphone it would have lesser specs.

I was thinking more of the icons and the layout of the complete screen, not the soft keys.

I agree with your statement of it being a PPC PE based on the processor and memory. The whole device, features, size and so on all say Phone Edition much more than Smartphone, I think.

I'll bet someone photoshopped the wrong today screen onto it. It wouldn't be the first time. ;)

Dave

[Janak Parekh]

There's nothing in the image that indicates it's a Smartphone.
The title bar does. WM5 Pocket PC edition still has Start at the top. ;)

That said, the screenshot could have just been pasted there from the "wrong" platform.

Edit: Darn, Dave, you beat me to it. :P

--janak

[Paragon]

Edit: Darn, Dave, you beat me to it. :P

--janak

Na na! :P :P

[Jon Westfall]

No WiFi, No Deal. Why can't someone build a machine that simply incorporates everything the Mpx had, but with more memory and better processor? Why are we in 'feature stripping' mode with new devices (i.e. both mobile messenger and this lack wifi)

[Paragon]

No WiFi, No Deal. Why can't someone build a machine that simply incorporates everything the Mpx had, but with more memory and better processor? Why are we in 'feature stripping' mode with new devices (i.e. both mobile messenger and this lack wifi)

I think it may have something to do with " 4 hour" battery life....without WiFi. :(

Dave

[Foo Fighter]

It has to be Smartphone, Jason. Just look at the wireless status icons in the upper-right corner. And the Windows flag in the lower-left. Unless WM5 Pocket PC interface has moved the start button to the bottom of the screen I don't see how this can be anything but Smartphone edition.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Wow! Whatever it is, it looks like absolute sweetness to me!

[Jason Dunn]

It has to be Smartphone, Jason. Just look at the wireless status icons in the upper-right corner. And the Windows flag in the lower-left. Unless WM5 Pocket PC interface has moved the start button to the bottom of the screen I don't see how this can be anything but Smartphone edition.

Hmm...you're right, I stand corrected. But this is a cheapie line-art drawing, so I'm not ready to believe that the screen shot is accurate. The specs scream Pocket PC, not Smartphone...but I'd love to be wrong, because this would be one kick-ass Smartphone (if it's small enough).

[ricksfiona]

I think that's a pretty sweet device. Looks a lot like the Messenger though. Between the two, I'd probably take the WiFi enabled Messenger.

[pgb5]

No WiFi, No Deal. Why can't someone build a machine that simply incorporates everything the Mpx had, but with more memory and better processor? Why are we in 'feature stripping' mode with new devices (i.e. both mobile messenger and this lack wifi)

Amen!

[Gerard]

I am a little confused about the square screen comment too... just measured at 100% zoom, and I get 32mm wide and 24mm high using a nice stainless ruler. That's exactly the 3:2 proportion of all PPC screens up until recently, with the square iPAQ being a newer exception. It's a landscape screen, but nowhere near square. Yeah, I know, just a drawing. But it's the square comment which stumps me.

as for it being a kick ass device, nah. Too small for proper browsing, and even a dedicated PPC enthusiast would likely find it too small for movies. Gaming... well, depends on the game type. Many PPC games are too detailed for such a small display to be practical, especially when they demand accurate stylus taps. It'd make a nice phone, but not really a substitute for a lot of PPC applications. Forget about serious word processing/layout in such a tiny area; eye strain would be inevitable in short order. And with only 4 hours of battery life it seems not to even be a very decent phone. Faster processor and bigger memory are nice, if you have something practical to do with them. With the display being smaller than that on many digital cameras, it'd be not a lot of fun for most graphical applications either.

[Jerry Raia]

I hate to rain on this parade but are we forgetting who is making this thing? I'm in "prove it to me" mode when it comes to Motorola. I would love for this to be a winner but I have to assume it's gonna be a disaster. I hope I am wrong. 8O

[Foo Fighter]

But this is a cheapie line-art drawing, so I'm not ready to believe that the screen shot is accurate.

No argument there. The real product could very well be a PPC based offering. A Smartphone Edition product isn't really my cup of tea. I like a full bodied PDA in phone form factor, provided it's done right...ala Treo.

The specs scream Pocket PC, not Smartphone...but I'd love to be wrong, because this would be one kick-a$$ Smartphone (if it's small enough).

If this product is real, and not merely the creation of some over zealous Pocket PC fan, then this would be the first real challenger to the Treo. Not only a challenger, but possibly a killer. The Motorola (and RAZR) name alone lends a great deal of credibility to it right from the start. This could be a hit among Smartphones.

[Sven Johannsen]

Gosh folks, it's an artists rendition in a PowerPoint presentation. Would you like me to whip up a Treo with a Blackberry keyboard running XP? I can throw some specs out too if you like.

It's way to early to think about fathering a first born son for this thing. I've got to go with Jerry R. I'll believe it when I see it on Cingular or T-Mobile's site.

[Janak Parekh]

I hate to rain on this parade but are we forgetting who is making this thing? I'm in "prove it to me" mode when it comes to Motorola. I would love for this to be a winner but I have to assume it's gonna be a disaster. I hope I am wrong. 8O
Remember, Jerry, most people here have the "Razr-era" Motorola in their head more than the MPx220-era Motorola. ;) Let's hope they've learned their lessons from that ROM debacle.

--janak

[szamot]

Looking at Motorola's track record for launching "sweet" too good to be true devices, I doubt this one will make it past the cheap paper it was drawn on. Don't mean to rain on your parades but that's Motorola for you.

[Jerry Raia]

I hate to rain on this parade but are we forgetting who is making this thing? I'm in "prove it to me" mode when it comes to Motorola. I would love for this to be a winner but I have to assume it's gonna be a disaster. I hope I am wrong. 8O
Remember, Jerry, most people here have the "Razr-era" Motorola in their head more than the MPx220-era Motorola. ;) Let's hope they've learned their lessons from that ROM debacle.

--janak

I want you to be right. I'll be one of the first to get one of these if you are :D

[bnycastro]

from the pic it looks like a smartphone to me also (the back and home buttons and the screenshot's icon arrangement and layout) really hope moto would see this product through. it also looks like 320*240 instead of 240*240 or 240*320.

[Kowalski]

this device better be a smartphone rather than a ppc. as previously stated, the screen is too small to use comfortible as a ppc. and i bet using the device in portiat mode wouldnt be that much easy.
the integrated keyboard is nice, but if this device is a smartphone, a number pad rather than a qwerty keyboard would be a better choice. why? the device is very thin, and by using a numeric pad, and a screen with portiat orientation, this would be one of the best clamshell smartphone ever in terms of ergonomics

[bnycastro]

I don't think it folds like a clamshell mobile... well from the pics I don't notice a hinge or anything like that (the other 2 images look like the regular RAZR phone to me and not other views, unfortunately I can't seem to dl the ppt presentations).

[chu0009]

Sounds interesting! Cant wait to see the real thing

[Jason Lee]

From what i got out of the slide show, and what Brighthand (http://www.brighthand.com/article/More_Details_on_RAZR-Like_Smartphone) said, it looks as if they are both going to be smartphones and not ppcpe.

The one with the keyboard will be 320x240 landscape and the flip model will be 240x320 portrait. Otherwise the same hardware. And both are going to be the same size as the current razor. Well the keyboard one will be a little wider and maybe a bit taller. These are gonna be way to small for ppcpe.

I think this is the correct OS photoshopped on to the display. They aren't gonna be pocket pcs. Which does seems a bit odd with those very nice specs. Gonna be one powerful smart phone. :)

[Eriq Cook]

It looks like an awesome device but I don't believe it'll make it to production in America any time soon (if it is released I bet we'll see it mid-2006/early 2007.

I hope it's not Smartphone edition though. It would be perfect IMO if it ran on WM2005 for Pocket PC.