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Darius Wey
06-14-2005, 04:00 PM
<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.pocketinformant.com/products_info.php?p_id=pi&dir=wm&tab_id=download' target='_blank'>http://www.pocketinformant.com/prod...tab_id=download</a><br /><br /></div><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20050614-PI2005R2.gif" /><br /><br />There's a serious swag of feature updates and bug fixes in Pocket Informant 2005 R2, so head over to WebIS to check out <a href="http://www.webis.net/whatsnew.php?type=pocketinformant&version=610&Product_Version=Pocket%20Informant%202005%20R2">what's new</a>. For all existing Pocket Informant 2005 users, it's a free update. For all first time users, a trial version is available from <a href="http://www.handango.com/ampp/store/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=311&productId=10226&productType=2">Handango</a>. The full version is selling for $29.95. [Affiliate]

Jonathan1
06-14-2005, 07:05 PM
Naaa. Think I'll wait to upgrade when I go to PPC 2005. Dealing with Pocket Informant preinstalled is a serious PITA when upgrading to a newer version. I hope they debundle PI when they roll out the image for 2005.

JamesM
06-14-2005, 07:21 PM
Dealing with Pocket Informant preinstalled is a serious PITA when upgrading to a newer version. I hope they debundle PI when they roll out the image for 2005.
What's such a PITA about it? I install to File Store and everything's cool.
-James

emuelle1
06-14-2005, 07:54 PM
I downloaded it. It's a free upgrade for 2005 anyway. So far I don't notice much more than button placement changes.

alex_kac
06-14-2005, 08:05 PM
Naaa. Think I'll wait to upgrade when I go to PPC 2005. Dealing with Pocket Informant preinstalled is a serious PITA when upgrading to a newer version. I hope they debundle PI when they roll out the image for 2005.

Why is it a PITA? I develop on a 4700 - so its something I use daily. About 20 people on our QA group are 4700 owners that install almost daily builds.

Yes, the original upgrades we had were problematic, but those issues were fixed AGES ago. At least 7 months ago. An install of 2005 - any release - on a 4700 works pretty much 99 times out of 100 without any issues.

Jonathan1
06-14-2005, 09:45 PM
Naaa. Think I'll wait to upgrade when I go to PPC 2005. Dealing with Pocket Informant preinstalled is a serious PITA when upgrading to a newer version. I hope they debundle PI when they roll out the image for 2005.

Why is it a PITA? I develop on a 4700 - so its something I use daily. About 20 people on our QA group are 4700 owners that install almost daily builds.

Yes, the original upgrades we had were problematic, but those issues were fixed AGES ago. At least 7 months ago. An install of 2005 - any release - on a 4700 works pretty much 99 times out of 100 without any issues.

Well then I guess I'm special....
When I install over the existing install I get something about one of the exe's not being able to run. (Sorry I do not know the name off the top of my head.) and all the buttons that map to the various components of PI (Calendar, contacts, etc.) come back as if nothing is mapped to them. I uninstall PI, soft reset, reinstall and it works.

This happens EVERY time I redo my system. Happened last month when they release the new ROM and I downloaded 2005.

alex_kac
06-14-2005, 09:48 PM
Interesting then. Do you mind taking it offline so we can see what's going on with your system? Since the 4700 is the only PPC I use and install onto constantly to test CABs with, I'd like to see what perhaps you're doing differently. We can PM or do direct email if you'd prefer.

Jonathan1
06-14-2005, 10:03 PM
Interesting then. Do you mind taking it offline so we can see what's going on with your system? Since the 4700 is the only PPC I use and install onto constantly to test CABs with, I'd like to see what perhaps you're doing differently. We can PM or do direct email if you'd prefer.

Sure and as an FYI its usually the third app I install after Mem Maid and tweaks2k2. I've never pinned down what is going on. :confused totally:

All in all its a minor annoyance. I wouldn't trade Pocket Informant for all the other PIMs in the world. :)

rlieving
06-14-2005, 11:47 PM
(PITA = Pain in the A'you know what')

I noticed that the install file was quite a bit smaller and there appears to be a performance boost on my Axim. However, a slew of new features is not quite accurate. I count 13 features out of 100 or so bug fixes, features, foundational additions, etc.

RE: Install. I find it to be the best PPC application install out of any - including better than all their other software. I have never had a problem upgrading or installing. Just go right over the old version. These guys should consult out their install knowledge to others.

RE: Latest version(s). 2005 is a head-scratcher. I am still trying to understand what I paid for. I guess I don't want the hassle of upgrading later, and some of the bug fixes/optimizations are nice. But the product seems to be maturing in terms of new features. There were promises of some project management features a'la Agenda Fusion, but these promises are yet to be fulfilled....

GadgetMan
06-15-2005, 12:56 AM
Yes, the original upgrades we had were problematic, but those issues were fixed AGES ago. At least 7 months ago. An install of 2005 - any release - on a 4700 works pretty much 99 times out of 100 without any issues.

Alex,

Can PI 2005 R2 6.1 be installed to iPaq File Store to save RAM on iPaq hx4700, or does it still have to go to RAM?

Cheers,

alex_kac
06-15-2005, 01:00 AM
RE: Latest version(s). 2005 is a head-scratcher. I am still trying to understand what I paid for. I guess I don't want the hassle of upgrading later, and some of the bug fixes/optimizations are nice. But the product seems to be maturing in terms of new features. There were promises of some project management features a'la Agenda Fusion, but these promises are yet to be fulfilled....

No, we never promised "Project Management". We aren't going that route. We promised that the TimeLine View would continue to be developed and in itself have a lot of ability that we feel is more powerful than the straight jacket of just project management. And R2 provides a bit more in that direction.

As for what 2005 R2 provides over 5.6 - its quite a lot. Granted, its not going to be anything earth shattering like "now cleans your toilets for you". Features can be as small as improving the way a toolbar works, to a whole new command or view, or more. Here is a full list: http://www.pocketinformant.com/Forums/index.php?act=ST&amp;f=13&amp;t=7304&amp;st=15#

alex_kac
06-15-2005, 01:03 AM
Yes, the original upgrades we had were problematic, but those issues were fixed AGES ago. At least 7 months ago. An install of 2005 - any release - on a 4700 works pretty much 99 times out of 100 without any issues.

Alex,

Can PI 2005 R2 6.1 be installed to iPaq File Store to save RAM on iPaq hx4700, or does it still have to go to RAM?

Cheers,

On the 4700 - it always has to go into RAM, because otherwise you have two copies on the device and the device will get confused which to run. There are ways you can do what you want, but then you lose any hardware buttons, new menus, or integration with other apps because on any device, the above requires that the chunk of PI lives in \WINDOWS.

Barak
06-15-2005, 01:15 AM
Hmm:

I was running ver 5.xx and I installed the new ver. Now my registration code isn't working. Is it a free upgrade from 5 or do I need to re-purchase??

GadgetMan
06-15-2005, 01:17 AM
On the 4700 - it always has to go into RAM, because otherwise you have two copies on the device and the device will get confused which to run. There are ways you can do what you want, but then you lose any hardware buttons, new menus, or integration with other apps because on any device, the above requires that the chunk of PI lives in \WINDOWS.

OK, I will leave it in RAM. I can see that forcing it elsewhere would cause too much collateral damage :)

One more question: Are you planning to grow Journal part of PI into a more robust component? I am thinking about making it a complete mobile companion to desktop Outlook's Journal, incl. full screen edit window (with rich text options, drawing, etc.) as well as full synch (incl. all fields and data) through integrated Journal Synch conduit, as opposed to separate add-on) with desktop Quicken? A fully grown Journal module would make PI complete in my eyes :D

Cheers,

alex_kac
06-15-2005, 01:28 AM
I don't think Journal can grow much more than it is now, though with more macros and such. Desktop Journal doesn't support ink, or rich text (or at least not the programmatic interface that we'd need to be able to use with our sync).

More fields - that may offer at some future point, the difficulty being that much of it just doesn't translate in any meaningful way to the PPC.

The sync will always be an extra option because frankly it costs a specific amount of money to develop and maintain.

GadgetMan
06-15-2005, 01:41 AM
I don't think Journal can grow much more than it is now, though with more macros and such. Desktop Journal doesn't support ink, or rich text (or at least not the programmatic interface that we'd need to be able to use with our sync).

More fields - that may offer at some future point, the difficulty being that much of it just doesn't translate in any meaningful way to the PPC.

The sync will always be an extra option because frankly it costs a specific amount of money to develop and maintain.

Maybe a full edit window at least? Pretty please :)

alex_kac
06-15-2005, 01:46 AM
You mean a full screen edit window instead of a half screen edit window?

GadgetMan
06-15-2005, 02:04 AM
You mean a full screen edit window instead of a half screen edit window?

Yes, same like the edit window for Appointment or Contact's notes.

Cheers,

emuelle1
06-15-2005, 02:19 AM
That would be useful. I had been using Ulti-Planner for a while, and besides the promised April upgrade not yet being released, the two or three line journal window was a slight complaint. PI offers a little bit more, and I love being able to sync with the Outlook Journal, but a little larger window would be nice. Also, would it be possible, as with the desktop client, to have a field for time and maybe even a timer? Sometimes I like to time phone calls, particularly when I'm on hold. Sometimes with utilities a little righteous indignation goes a long way...

alex_kac
06-15-2005, 02:20 AM
Honestly, the big thing I have against that is that to edit a journal would then require going to a second screen each and every time. I think it would distract from its use. Whereas in a task or other PIM item, the note is secondary to the actual subject, recurrence, importance, and such - the text in a journal is part of its primary purpose.

alex_kac
06-15-2005, 02:22 AM
That would be useful. I had been using Ulti-Planner for a while, and besides the promised April upgrade not yet being released, the two or three line journal window was a slight complaint. PI offers a little bit more, and I love being able to sync with the Outlook Journal, but a little larger window would be nice. Also, would it be possible, as with the desktop client, to have a field for time and maybe even a timer? Sometimes I like to time phone calls, particularly when I'm on hold. Sometimes with utilities a little righteous indignation goes a long way...

We added a field for time in the R2 release. Also timers are coming, as well as some other macro advances, but in the meantime we did improve a few timer related aspects of our journal as well.

Darius Wey
06-15-2005, 02:34 AM
I was running ver 5.xx and I installed the new ver. Now my registration code isn't working. Is it a free upgrade from 5 or do I need to re-purchase??

Pocket Informant 2005 is classified as v6.x. You will need to purchase an upgraded copy in order for it to be re-registered. Visit WebIS for prices.

GadgetMan
06-15-2005, 03:11 AM
Honestly, the big thing I have against that is that to edit a journal would then require going to a second screen each and every time. I think it would distract from its use. Whereas in a task or other PIM item, the note is secondary to the actual subject, recurrence, importance, and such - the text in a journal is part of its primary purpose.

But right now the window containing actual text body of the Journal entry is way too small to allow for comfortable viewing and editing. Why do I have a full screen view of an appointment or contact note field, but cannot I have similarily sized view of Journal's note? Part of the screen could be made collapsable (like Category/Subject view in PhatNotes), so that with one tap we could roll down or up Patent/Subject/Type/Date/Duration fields and be able to view main text in larger window.

With your ingenuity (already demonstrated in any other aspect of PI), I am sure you can come up with GUI design that will be efficient and convenient to use, but at the same time will not force us to work with Journal's main text in the small window we have right now.

Cheers,

alex_kac
06-15-2005, 03:15 AM
I have considered the rollup/down method. I've also considered a "zoom out" option where the text box would zoom out to full screen when selected.

GadgetMan
06-15-2005, 04:08 AM
I have considered the rollup/down method. I've also considered a "zoom out" option where the text box would zoom out to full screen when selected.

I guess this means that Journal view stays unchanged. As I compare various views and GUI elements, I realize that Journal view was never allowed to mature. With its very rudimentary form layout and unrefined controls it is the least mature part of PI and as such sticks out like a sore thumb.

It could have been a great and useful part of PI. It could have been functional and refined, on par with the fine rest of the application. But now I fear it will forever look and feel like a half baked afterthought :cry:

Cheers,

alex_kac
06-15-2005, 04:19 AM
I wouldn't say that! In fact, I'd have to strongly disagree. Its about as refined as any of the dialogs really. None of the other PI dialogs have anything different. Look at the Tasks Editor and the Journal editor - what difference is there? They are both functional and look fairly good. All the controls are identical - just different fields.

And each major rev of PI we've added more and more to Journal. In 2005 we added journal categories and journal to the Calendar View (imagine - now you can have a journal diary showing up in the Calendar View with a category filter and a custom view). Journal icons were added to the Month View, and in R2 of PI 2005 we added journal times. We're also adding timers and journal macros in the future. So in all seriousness, out of all of PI, journal is getting the most advances in terms of what you can do with it when you consider the possibilities.

The only thing the journal does not have is its own "view", but that's because I think doing that would weaken it dramatically. Journal is most powerful when its melded with current views.

jimski
06-15-2005, 05:27 AM
Hey GadgetMan, why don't you take a look at CLC Journal (http://www.crownlogic.com). It does not integrate directly with Pocket Outlook (PI &amp; AF included), but it does sync beautifully with Desktop Outlook Journal and provides for full screen creation and editing of Journal notes. I can't live without it.[/url]

GadgetMan
06-15-2005, 01:53 PM
Hey GadgetMan, why don't you take a look at CLC Journal (http://www.crownlogic.com). It does not integrate directly with Pocket Outlook (PI &amp; AF included), but it does sync beautifully with Desktop Outlook Journal and provides for full screen creation and editing of Journal notes. I can't live without it.[/url]

I am very familiar with CLC Journal. In fact I used it religiously until it proved to not work properly with Windows Mobile 2003SE. Although CLC issued a patch, it still wrecked havoc in ActiveSync.

Now I am anxiously anticipating the promised release of new version in July. I trust it will finally work flawlessly with WM 2003SE and I hope it will also be WM2005 compatible.

I use it to track my work day and do not necessarily tie its entries to Appointments or Contacts (it is more of a running diary for me). Therefore the approach taken by PI (where Journal is treated as an add-on - or extension - to Appointments, Tasks and Contacts) is far less flexible than what I need. I would much prefer to have a fully blown integrated Journal in PI, but since it is not possible, I place high hopes in CLC Journal 2005.

Cheers,

dma1965
06-15-2005, 02:58 PM
RE: Latest version(s). 2005 is a head-scratcher. I am still trying to understand what I paid for. I guess I don't want the hassle of upgrading later, and some of the bug fixes/optimizations are nice. But the product seems to be maturing in terms of new features. There were promises of some project management features a'la Agenda Fusion, but these promises are yet to be fulfilled....

No, we never promised "Project Management". We aren't going that route. We promised that the TimeLine View would continue to be developed and in itself have a lot of ability that we feel is more powerful than the straight jacket of just project management. And R2 provides a bit more in that direction.

As for what 2005 R2 provides over 5.6 - its quite a lot. Granted, its not going to be anything earth shattering like "now cleans your toilets for you". Features can be as small as improving the way a toolbar works, to a whole new command or view, or more. Here is a full list: http://www.pocketinformant.com/Forums/index.php?act=ST&amp;f=13&amp;t=7304&amp;st=15#

I have to agree with the "head scratcher" sentiment. I have decided to consider my upgrade payment an up front payment in hopes that this release will someday blossom. I cannot help but feel that the lack of project management in PI at this point is nothing more than an attempt to downplay the value of what is perhaps the most innovative and useful PIM enhancement feature in years. I have tried to make timeline view useful to me, but it is, for my purposes, useless. The ability to group tasks, appointments, notes, and contacts in a hierarchy like in the Project View of AF is just plain brilliant. Get off of your high horse and just implement it already! Timeline View, Shmimeline View, bahh!

PocketPC Addict
06-15-2005, 04:06 PM
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20050614-PI2005R2.gif


Cool stuff! Hey how do you get to this view?

mattbugz
06-15-2005, 04:29 PM
I am about to be a PI convert. My first feature request would be to support label coloring in Calendar. However, my understanding is that this is a limitation with ActiveSync as opposed to PI.

Someone on the PI forums did have a good workaround that will serve me well. Enable Automatic Formatting in Outlook Calendar.

alex_kac
06-15-2005, 08:01 PM
RE: Latest version(s). 2005 is a head-scratcher. I am still trying to understand what I paid for. I guess I don't want the hassle of upgrading later, and some of the bug fixes/optimizations are nice. But the product seems to be maturing in terms of new features. There were promises of some project management features a'la Agenda Fusion, but these promises are yet to be fulfilled....

No, we never promised "Project Management". We aren't going that route. We promised that the TimeLine View would continue to be developed and in itself have a lot of ability that we feel is more powerful than the straight jacket of just project management. And R2 provides a bit more in that direction.

As for what 2005 R2 provides over 5.6 - its quite a lot. Granted, its not going to be anything earth shattering like "now cleans your toilets for you". Features can be as small as improving the way a toolbar works, to a whole new command or view, or more. Here is a full list: http://www.pocketinformant.com/Forums/index.php?act=ST&amp;f=13&amp;t=7304&amp;st=15#

I have to agree with the "head scratcher" sentiment. I have decided to consider my upgrade payment an up front payment in hopes that this release will someday blossom. I cannot help but feel that the lack of project management in PI at this point is nothing more than an attempt to downplay the value of what is perhaps the most innovative and useful PIM enhancement feature in years. I have tried to make timeline view useful to me, but it is, for my purposes, useless. The ability to group tasks, appointments, notes, and contacts in a hierarchy like in the Project View of AF is just plain brilliant. Get off of your high horse and just implement it already! Timeline View, Shmimeline View, bahh!

I think I've already provided a list of over 100 new features in PI 2005. I can understand that none of them may be things that appeal to you - and that's fine. I never "expect" anyone to upgrade just for the sake of upgrading. But to say its a "headscratcher" seems very disingenuous to me. I'm probably a bit put off by that comment mostly because I've put 9 months of work into where PI 2005 is today from where it was in 5.6 doing designing, writing, and debugging all those features and I consider many of them to be pretty darn huge. They are all direct productivity benefits to different groups of people.

The AF PV is different from the PI TLV. I do not believe that the AF PV is usable for the vast majority of PDA users. Its much like our Hierarchical Tasks - with all of its weaknesses multiplied by all the other data types. AF's PV requires an inordinate amount of setup for very little benefit to them. It adds a whole new layer of maintenance. I believe most people get really excited about it, but then get disappointed by the implementation. Now for the niche group of people who need project management - the ROI is there and its useful. But for 90% of our userbase, I believe that the more flexible TLV is more useful because it uses the data that you already have. There is almost no setup/maintenance involved. And our TLV provides grouping by category for journals, calendar, and tasks all in one, including statistics for durations and counts of all the above for a date range (in R2). We still need to add Notes and Contacts to the mix as well as a few other things, but we're working on that.

Its not a high horse. Its really that I've worked with project management and I know what's required of that and unless project management is all you do - the amount of work required to keep AF's PV maintained leaves you little time to actually do any real work.

PI was built completely from customer feedback. That's what makes PI so popular. And we are getting feedback that project management to a degree is important. And that is why after looking at this REALLY hard and long (way before AF ever thought of adding a project view - this was back in October of 2004) we saw that many people don't use Links or HT (one of the most useful parts of PI) because they don't sync up to the desktop and have no life beyond the PDA. We saw that a ton of people wanted some level of project management, but were put off by full project management apps. We saw that we needed to do something that was usable by the vast majority of people. And so during our discussions, one of our beta group members came up with a very very good design - that to tell you the truth is not fully implemented yet - that after showing it to many different people, we found did exactly what we wanted to accomplish.

So that is my story :)

MobileAGBell
06-15-2005, 10:50 PM
No head scratching here. Thanks, Alex, for your efforts and the updates.

alex_kac
06-15-2005, 10:54 PM
Thanks - and please note that if you do NOT find something in the current release to justify an upgrade please go ahead and let me know what you would like to see. As I wrote in my previous paragraph, we work hard to try and cull feedback from our users and determine what of that feedback is something we can do. But it all comes from the feedback.

And that goes with Mail and Money as well. I know neither is perfect, and I'm acutely aware of deficiencies in those products and we're working hard on solving them in both features and bug fixes. I'm actually going to talk a bit more about that on my blog soon.

latinware
06-15-2005, 10:54 PM
No matter what other people say about the new PI 2005 R2, I'm totally satisfied with it and think it's a great piece of software, at least WebIS is doing their best to write a very proffessional app. To make something 100% proof it's irrational, because it's impossible to have TOTAL HAPPINESS or aproval. Keep up the good work!

[massive quote edited by moderator JD - please don't quote three entire messages :-)]

Busdriver
06-16-2005, 06:20 AM
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20050614-PI2005R2.gif


Cool stuff! Hey how do you get to this view?Tap on the applicable icon in the TLV.

Darius Wey
06-16-2005, 12:02 PM
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20050614-PI2005R2.gif


Cool stuff! Hey how do you get to this view?

You'll need to access the Timeline View.

Edit: I just noticed that Busdriver responded as well. Anyway, just so this post isn't a complete waste, if you're wondering where the TLV is, click the button that's located to the right of the "31" button in the footer bar.

welovejesus
06-16-2005, 01:19 PM
Alex,
Ever since I started using PI, I have never looked back. In fact I don't synchronize with Outlook 2003 since PI has better functionality than Outlook 2003.
Would you consider a PI feature that would allow users to back up all their PI data in Windows Mobile 2003/2003SE and restore on a Windows Mobile 5 device? I tried finding a solution with third party software as discussed (http://www.pocketinformant.com/Forums/index.php?showtopic=6915&amp;st=0&amp;p=35554) in your forums. So far, no such luck.
For those of us who avoid ActiveSync and its associated problems, the ability to back up all the PI data in Windows Mobile 2003/2003SE and restore on a Windows Mobile 5 device would really make our day! :!: :D

Doug Raeburn
06-16-2005, 01:23 PM
I feel that it's necessary to point out that the response that the AF development team has received regarding the Projects view has been overwhelmingly positive. Many members of the AF userbase are using it to great effect, and there's lots of ongoing excitement about the recent enhancements in AF 7.2, as well as the promise of what's to come. User feedback has shown that it lends itself to traditional projects in a business setting, as well as to personal projects that can benefit from a higher level of organization than has been typically available in PIM products prior to this. So it's proving to be anything but a niche product... how you can use it is limited only by your imagination and resourcefulness, not by any arbitrary or preconceived notions of limitations based on the fact that the view's name contains the term "projects".

Certainly the people who have been using the Projects view are providing feedback regarding additional features and functionality that they'd like to see, but the feedback that I've seen reflects much more excitement about and positive reactions to the implementation than any measure of disappointment. This is in no way surprising, because Agenda Fusion is driven almost exclusively by customer feedback. This is neither the exclusive domain of any single product or company, nor is it rocket science... any company that lacks the vision to follow such a common sense approach is likely to be doomed to failure.

The people behind the concept of the Projects view are experienced project managers, and the final product is based on their experience as well as the experience of many other project managers who provided input into the design and the feature set. Existing and potential customers of AF had a tremendous amount of input into the eventual design of the Projects view... it was in no way developed in some kind of vacuum, but in a very dynamic, customer-driven fashion. The Projects view is a well-considered design based on a tremendous amount of research as to how project managers and many other people want and need to organize their PIM data, and how traditional PIM products have fallen short in meeting those needs.

As a user of AF and its Projects view, let me say that I find that the benefits to setup time ratio is very positive, and I also find that I have PLENTY of time to do real work. And MANY members of the AF userbase are reporting a similar experience.

Phillip Dyson
06-16-2005, 01:51 PM
I consider myself a long time PI user and have never used AF for any length of time.

I must admit that part of me would really like to see the Project Management feature in PI. Most for my personal PIM.

But I have to agree with Alec_Kac on one point. However, I ultimately decide to manage my PIM data (work and personal) its become increasingly important that my strategy translate between my PDA and desktop (in this case Outlook).

IMO it would be counter productive to have to worry different levels of organization between the two. Always wondering if one data source has more or less organization/data than the other is not effecient.

Unfortunately due to the limitation of the syncronization process, categories are the most seemless integration point. And my understanding is that the Timeline View is based very heavy on them.

I have yet to discover the full potential of the TLV, but what I would really like to see is some kind of reference scenario of how to get the most out it. When ever I come across similar discussion about PI, this topic always appears. Perhaps some examples would help educate people to its current use and future potential.

JamesM
06-16-2005, 03:52 PM
sojourner753 wrote:
I have yet to discover the full potential of the TLV, but what I would really like to see is some kind of reference scenario of how to get the most out it. When ever I come across similar discussion about PI, this topic always appears. Perhaps some examples would help educate people to its current use and future potential.

Exactly! While my satisfaction with PI does not depend on the TLV, I feel like I'm missing out on something. It looks cool, but what can I do with it? I can say that I can easily identify with a "Project" view because I work on projects in my job.

Examples of TLV use would be fabulous (also admitting I haven't perused WebIS's forums for this info either... :oops: )

It really could be me. I am trying to continually implement the GTD system and therefore, my tasks are undated. If a task needs to get done on a certain day, it goes on my calendar.

emuelle1
06-16-2005, 05:50 PM
I agree. I had been using Ulti-Planner, which is good for the money, because under the Frankly Covey system I wanted to see my tasks on the agenda view. I decided to check out PI when I came across GTD, and found the category/undated tasks view to work very well. I view my tasks in categories and I expand whichever category I'm able to deal with at any particular time.

Of course, after years of ABC, 123 prioritized daily task lists, I am missing the old system a little.

As for projects, I keep meaning to try out the hiearchial tasks, but I haven't gotten to it yet. Perhaps I should write it down and put it in my in box :devilboy:

Ain't GTD great?

I believe that, for now, I can work within the features of PI for any project I need to do, with the ability to link tasks, appointments, contacts, notes, and journal entries. For the time being it's more functionality than I need.

phritosan
06-17-2005, 08:21 PM
i attempted using the HT for the GTD system, but as they only appear under their parent tasks in HT view, and not in pocket breeze, i find this 'feature' too underpowered to use. but maybe im missing something?

sperhacs
06-17-2005, 10:05 PM
You will have better luck using categories, templates, and views. This link explains one way to do it--

http://www.stanford.edu/~aylin/blog/2005/05/update-how-i-use-pocket-informant-to.html

Fuego
06-18-2005, 02:45 PM
One thing that has kept me from upgrading PI on my hx4700 is the concern that it will eat heavily into my free RAM space, since PI functionality is already available to me in ROM.

My understanding is that you have to install any upgrades to main memory, since a chunk needs to go into \Windows and that this is the case even if you install to the iPAQ FIle Store.

Anyone have any figures on the resources needed to upgrade PI on an hx4700 please?

TAI.

Phillip Dyson
06-18-2005, 06:30 PM
sojourner753 wrote:
I have yet to discover the full potential of the TLV, but what I would really like to see is some kind of reference scenario of how to get the most out it. When ever I come across similar discussion about PI, this topic always appears. Perhaps some examples would help educate people to its current use and future potential.

Exactly! While my satisfaction with PI does not depend on the TLV, I feel like I'm missing out on something. It looks cool, but what can I do with it? I can say that I can easily identify with a "Project" view because I work on projects in my job.

Examples of TLV use would be fabulous (also admitting I haven't perused WebIS's forums for this info either... :oops: )

It really could be me. I am trying to continually implement the GTD system and therefore, my tasks are undated. If a task needs to get done on a certain day, it goes on my calendar.

I've done cursory searches on the PI website forums and haven't come across any useful examples. Thats not say that I wouldn't find something with a concentrated search effort.

But what I have found is more people complaining about the lack of a project view.

I like can appreciate a lot about what Alec says concerning why they went this route. Matter of fact I like that fact that they are not just playing tag with AF. They have definitely put some thought and research into the TLV.

I also think that the outcry from PI users is so prevalent in this area, that it would benefit everyone if they published some kind fo reference tips and scenarios that really highlight the power and potential of this piece.

I for one am willing to keep and open mind, but for whatever reason I haven't been able to discover the possibilities of TLV on my own.

Hopefully its not because I'm stupid. :oops: :wink:

JamesM
07-05-2005, 10:34 PM
Here's a start on some info on the TLV:

http://www.pocketinformant.com/wiki/pmwiki.php/PocketInformant/TimelineView

Phillip Dyson
07-05-2005, 10:47 PM
Here's a start on some info on the TLV:

http://www.pocketinformant.com/wiki/pmwiki.php/PocketInformant/TimelineView

thanks for the link.

I haven't read it yet, but this is probably the beginnings of what I've been looking for.

Darius Wey
07-06-2005, 01:38 AM
Just in case anyone's missed it, Pocket Informant 2005 R2.1 is now available for download.

http://www.webis.net/whatsnew.php?type=pocketinformant&amp;version=611&amp;Product_Version=Pocket%20Informant%202005%20R2.1