ATP Introduces 2GB and 4GB 133x SD Cards

[Darius Wey]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://flash.atpinc.com/company/news.php' target='_blank'>http://flash.atpinc.com/company/news.php</a><br /><br /></div><i>"The all-new ATP ProMax SD card products will come in capacities of up to 2GB initially, with a 4GB card planned for later this year in Q4. Conforming to the latest SD v1.1 system specification, they are rated at super fast 133X transfer rates (up to read 20MB/s and 18MB/s write). This tremendous level of performance is ideal for today's demanding applications such as high-end digital photography and video recording. Designed to handle progressively larger and higher resolution pictures in uncompressed RAW format or MPEG2-HD video quality, they allow for professional photographers and enthusiasts to maintain a fast rate of shooting with high megapixel digital cameras and camcorders such as the Nikon D50. Mass production of the ProMaxTM lineup will start in July."</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20050601-ATPSD.jpg" /><br /><br />These SD cards are being churned out at a rate faster than I can handle. Announced at Computex, ATP's weather-proof SD cards rated at 133x (20MB/s - read and 18MB/s - write) are to be made available in a 2GB flavour first, followed by 4GB in Q4 2005. These cards are backed with a 5 year limited warranty, and I sure wouldn't mind popping one of these in my Pocket PC. ;-)

[stevelam]

Yeah but can you actually get them. Apparently you can get san disk ones but they are always out of stock.

[whydidnt]

Yeah but can you actually get them. Apparently you can get san disk ones but they are always out of stock.

You echoed my thoughts. Sandisk announced 2 Gig SD cards last year, but I still cannot find anyone with stock to sell. I've had an order pending for once since March. I don't think they have really shipped any quantity at all. Maybe ATP will actually be able to deliver. In my mind, Sandisk as one of the inventors of the format should be able to deliver faster than the competition, but it just isn't happening.

[Muntasser]

somebody define weather proof

and

4GB SD = ub3r c00l.

[badbob001]

ATP, along with other flash memory makers that use fast and reliable SLC flash chips, are pretty slow with actually coming out with new cards. And they are pricey. Please hurry up before I'm tempted by sandisk's low prices.

[rmac]

Yeah but can you actually get them. Apparently you can get san disk ones but they are always out of stock.

I heard that some people have received the regular Sandisk 2GB card in under 2 weeks from Dell. Has anyone actually received a Sandisk Ultra?

Ecost said they were getting 1,100 in on the 31st, but now they said it didn't arrive and have no idea when the next shipment will come in. This is the second time they told me the shipment didn't arrive.

[badbob001]

somebody define weather proof

http://www.auphanonline.com/articles/view.php?article_id=1498&amp;page=6

atp sd card in a bottle of gatorade
http://www.auphanonline.com:8080/articles/images/2166/1103246890_200x200.jpg

[Dyvim]

I bought a SanDisk Ultra II 2 GB SD card in April from NeutronExpress. Works like a charm!

But now they're out of stock until Sep 7 at NeutronExpress and quoted price is more than I paid for it back in April.

[myrampar]

I have a few questions.

Will I see much benefit from one of these high speed cards if I were to get one for my Ipaq 4150?

I frequently use my PDA for viewing Movies that I have converted from DVD but currently don't run many apps from the SD card. I can see the benefits of the higher read/write speeds when transferring files from a pc to the card using a USB 2.0 card reader.

I guess I am curious as to the limits of the SD Bus speed on my device, or PPC's in general. Are current devices able to take full advantage of the extra speed?

Thanks for any help! :)

[rmasinag]

Honestly, I think the only people who'd really benefit from this kind of stuff are ppl in industrial use of PPC and photographers, no geeks like you and me.

For me, I'd like to see a more secure way of holding SD cards instead of popping out and getting lost when your device gets bumped (PPC's in particular) :evil:

[Dyvim]

There have been threads in the past on speed of different flash cards in ppc devices. Bottom line is that in most cases you don't need a fast card for your ppc. The speed increase is more important when using a card reader or a digital camera (a device that can take advantage of the card's higher speed).

When 133x cards were first announced, there weren't even any desktop card readers available that could fully take advantage of the increased speed although that may have changed by now.

I do a lot of transfering of 1 GB video files using a card reader, so I appreciate the extra speed of my 60x cards.

[jlp]

Remember that speed is not the only factor here, but a capacity much higher than any previous offering: 4GB!!

And I would bet than most people here also have a digital camera and/or digital moviecam and/or MP3 players that needs both higher capacity and speed.

By the way has anybody here used a CF based digicam with one of those fast SD cards using the Panasonic SD to CF adaptor? How does this setup handles the combo? Note that that Panasonic adapter (model #BN-SDCF1E) is the size of a regular CF card so it can fit digicam CF slots, most of which have a cover.

Since most of my gear uses SD, except my Nikon Coolpix 5700 (CF; hence the SD 2 CF adapter), I'd like to standardize on SD and only get future flash cards in this format.

[SteveHoward999]

4 Gb??? Hold me back! Hide that chequebook. Burn my credit card ...


:devilboy:

[biglouis]

I don't understand the posts about 2GB SD card availability. I bought my Sandisk 2GB SD card off of e-Bay and had it delivered to the UK within 5 days. I've been using it for about two weeks. Works like a charm.

There are currently at least a dozen auctions for the same card on e-Bay, all originating from US suppliers and all willing to ship internationally.

Expansys in the UK are now showing their 2GB SD card as being available.

On the issue of speed - especially those posters who are anxious for the ultra speed cards - I have not noticed any perceptible lag from my standard 2GB which I use almost every day to listen to MP3s.

A 4GB card would be very cool indeed. I upgraded to a 2GB card so I could carry even more MP3s. A 4GB or even better 5GB would be equivalent to carrying an iPOD mini in my smartphone which would be my ideal.

LouisB

LouisB

[Fred44]

5 months ago this group said SD will never replace CF cards.

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31427&amp;start=240

The only thing in life that is predictable is change.

[jimski]

So what exactly has changed? CF cards are more available, have larger capacities and cost less. I think there is room in this World for both formats. Just get rid of everything else.

[saru83]

i wonder if my JAM will support a 4GB SD card :roll: ??

[biglouis]

i wonder if my JAM will support a 4GB SD card :roll: ??

Well, I can confirm that my i-mate JAM happily supports a 2GB Sandisk SD card.

Is there any reason why it shouldn't support a 4GB card?

LouisB

[Jonathon Watkins]

5 months ago this group said SD will never replace CF cards.

Be fair Fred44. *Some* folks here said that SD will not replace CF cards and that was talking about the near to mid future. The very fact that we are talking about SD to CF adaptors proves that point - i.e. a lot of high end digital cameras only come with CF slots. That reason alone is enough to make me want a CF slot in my next PPC. That CF cards are cheaper, faster and have a higher capacities is a bones. ;-)

The only thing in life that is predictable is change.

That's certainly true. :wink:

[Jonathon Watkins]

http://www.auphanonline.com/articles/view.php?article_id=1498&amp;page=6
atp sd card in a bottle of gatorade
http://www.auphanonline.com:8080/articles/images/2166/1103246890_200x200.jpg

That's a good link badbob001! :D

I dropped it in a bottle of Gatorade and let it sit overnight. Ok, maybe not scientific, but it was way more fun. After that, I removed it and put it in a bottle of Coke to let it sit overnight again. When it came out of that, I doused it with Olive Oil and flour, then some salt and cocoa powder. I don’t know why I chose this recipe specifically; it was just what was at the kitchen table at the time.

To test the extreme temperatures, I went ahead and stuck it in the freezer and froze it solid in a block of ice overnight. For the skiers and snowboarders out there, this is probably just a tad more extreme than throwing it outside the cabin and letting it sit in the snow overnight. I thawed it out the next morning by sticking it in a tub of hot water, drying it off by putting a blow dryer to it for a little bit. I tried holding it in my hand while blow drying it, but the heat was too much so I set it down. Smooth move- the light chip easily got blown off the table in the hot air flow and smacked the hard floor, sliding several feet.

I furthered the “stick it in gunk” test methodology by rolling it around in some peanut butter. This effectively got sticky peanut butter oil in all the nooks and crannies of the card, particularly the spaces where the gold connector pins lay. Cleaning it out took a little time, just using a sponge and Dawn dishwasher soap. Although now that I think about it, it really wouldn’t have mattered had I just thrown it in the dishwasher.

After I was convinced it was dry, I thought about how else to punish this thing. Leaning back in my chair, I threw it against the wall several times, bouncing it back to me again and again. I was playing racquetball with this thing. Note that SD cards are rated at 2,000g – equivalent to a 10 ft drop to the floor. I was definitely throwing it at the wall much harder than that.

And it still worked fine. :lol: Nice test!

[saru83]

[quote=saru83]
Is there any reason why it shouldn't support a 4GB card?

LouisB

Actually i got my JAM from expansys, and they mentioned that it supports up to 2GB, but may be they said that coz the max available in market is the 2GB...

Hopefully the 4GB will work :D

[Aitch]

KICK ASS !!!

4Gb SD cards will make PPC's the sweetest electronic devices on the market !!

Well as long as they are not too expensive .......

Any ideas on their initial price ..... $200 bucks would be about the maximum I could spend :(

[jlp]

$400 is the minimum to expect, if not $500. Discount prices for the Sandisk UltraII 2GB card is barely below $200 already.

[whydidnt]

Judging by how long we usually wait to see these things - from announcement to general availability - I wouldn't worry too much about compatibility with your current device. My guess is by the time you can actually purchase a 4GB SD card at a reasonable price you will have already moved on to a new device. 8)

[Aitch]

Very True !

[jlp]

KICK a$$ !!!

4Gb SD cards will make PPC's the sweetest electronic devices on the market !!

Seems like you ignore that there are CF cards in 4, 5, 6, 8, and even 12 GB (Pretec).

8)

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[Aitch]

Seems like you assume everbody wants/has CF card compatibility !!

SD cards Rule :)

8)

[jlp]

Sorry, but until SD cards comes in in 4, 5, 6, 8, and 12 GB capacities CF cards rules!!!

:twisted:

[Aitch]

OK ! Right now CF cards are top .... but from 2006 SD Cards DEFINITELY Rule :)

http://www.sdcard.com/europe/TextPage.asp?Page=2

[beq]

I'm thinking about getting the Nikon D50 (which uses SD cards). Do you guys think a 133x card will make a difference vs. a 60-66x card?

Also, will this ATP 2GB SD card cost more than the SanDisk Ultra II 2GB SD card?

[jlp]

OK ! Right now CF cards are top .... but from 2006 SD Cards DEFINITELY Rule :)

http://www.sdcard.com/europe/TextPage.asp?Page=2

I’m not sure you fully understand that chart!!

It clearly shows:
a) 4 GB SD cards are planned for early 2006, while 4 GB CF cards have been out for a few months now, that is at least a full year before
b) the maximum technology limit for SD cards is 32 GB, while CF cards, being based on IDE has a much larger capacity!!!

Being larger, CF cards will ALWAYS offer a lot more inner space so CF cards will ALWAYS offer higer capacity for the same generation; there’s NO arguing about that!! (Self-edited to remove somewhat rude comments; my apologies)

And with rapidly evolving advances in microdrive technology CF HDD will ALWAYS offer even more capacity as well!!! Another proof?! The development of 20 GB microdrives already!!
http://www.gizmag.com/pictures/hero/3909_5040555734.jpg
http://www.gizmag.com/go/3909/