HTC Blue Angel By T-Mobile, O2, Orange, Qtek And Now Vodafone

[marlof]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.xscale.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=559' target='_blank'>http://www.xscale.de/modules.php?na...article&sid=559</a><br /><br /></div>The device known under the code name of HTC Blue Angel is also known under different other names, given by the several operators that will launch it. T-Mobile, O2, Orange and Qtek will release their MDA III, XDA IIs, SPV M2000 and Qtek 9090, and now Vodafone is joining the ranks, with the VPA III. In the image below, the T-Mobile MDA III on the right also reflects the design of the SPV M2000 and the Qtek 9090. O2 has the same design in a black trim, and Vodafone has chosen a slightly different design. If you could choose one of these three designs, which one would it be?<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/marlof-20040914-blueangelIII.jpg" />

[hsharma]

Does the T-Mobile device alsohave a keyboard similar to Vodafone? If so and if it has blue tooth at least and a 1.3 MegP camera, I like the T-Mobile design. Any news on when it might be actually relases by T-Mobile as I am wating to replace my Treo 180.
Thanks

[Jon Westfall]

I'd go with the O2 design. The darker colors are never really represented in PPCs - and it matches my desk so well... ;)

[Ryan Joseph]

Does the T-Mobile device alsohave a keyboard similar to Vodafone?

Yes, all three devices have the slide-out keyboard. And don't forget about the fourth branded device, the i-mate version (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32110). :mrgreen:

Considering all four choices, I like the O2's black casing. But I'd take any, it really doesn't matter. 8)

[Sven Johannsen]

I kind of like the O2 best. Of course if any one is available without a camera...that's the one.

[dhpss]

I guess, these are not for USA market, right?

OK....Back to sleep! :sleeping:

[Shuushin]

I like the black too, but if any one is thinner than another - I'd go with the thinnest.

And I could do without the camera. And the keyboard (rather use the space for extended battery, or a folding knife). Yeah, thats it; a nice folding knife would make it *so* easy to get through airport security. "Just back away and let me on the plane. That's it, nice and easy and bring me those damn peanuts - be quick about it!".

[ikesler]

Doesn't matter to me as long as it is CDMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

[outdoor]

O2 has the sexiest design 8)

man i can't wait for it to come out.... i really hope it will release in Canada or Asia soon. :?

[that_kid]

I like the O2 device, the dark color adds a nice sleekness to it.

[whydidnt]

The colors on the O2 device look great compared to the standard silver the others offer. That silver color is just so mid-ninety's to me. :wink:

It's beyond amazing to me that nearly every major European carrier is announcing this device, while in the US all we hear are rumors and delays. I am convinced that the US and it's Wal-Mart attitude(who cares about quality and functionality, as long as it's cheap) has become the techno equivalent of the third world.

It seems no foreign company has much interest in selling their devices here. If your not HP or Palm One, you care very little about this market, and I'm beginning to think HP doesn't really give a rip either with their latest un-inspired offerings.

OQO, here I come!!!

[powder2000]

I like the way vodafone styled their top speaker, but I also like the black coloring of the O2.

[powder2000]

The colors on the O2 device look great compared to the standard silver the others offer. That silver color is just so mid-ninety's to me. :wink:

I too get that feeling. It seems then that the market indicates we are a bunch of ludites (as a whole, not here of course) and that we have no interest in anything too complicated, whether it really is or not. I was raised with the mindset that if your going to do a job, do it right and if you are going to buy something try and get the best. Although this is not always possible, the US market for these devices needs to really pick up if we are to stay on track with the latest and greatest tech. Just my two cents.

[marlof]

I like the way vodafone styled their top speaker, but I also like the black coloring of the O2.

I agree on both points. I think the Vodafona styling (with a more fluid look) looks better than the other styling, but I do like the O2 black finish.

[murph]

i like the black one, i just hope the paint doesn't flake off like the Tmobile XDA1.

but i also like the Vodaphone D-Pad - it's shaped like the Treo d-pad which i found to be excellent for control.

[Underwater Mike]

Although I prefer the black color, I actually like the Vodafone design better. Just looks a bit cleaner to me, and I like the d-pad design more than the other two.

[Sven Johannsen]

I like the O2 device, the dark color adds a nice sleekness to it.

The ladies always say black is slimming.

[CrashX]

I like the darker color that the O2 brings to the market. I always preferred the darker color of my Sony NZ-90.

[yawanag]

It's beyond amazing to me that nearly every major European carrier is announcing this device, while in the US all we hear are rumors and delays. I am convinced that the US and it's Wal-Mart attitude(who cares about quality and functionality, as long as it's cheap) has become the techno equivalent of the third world.

My sentiments exactly.

I like using my PDA in the case. Can anyone tell me if this is possible with one these with a sliding keyboard? The case posted a while back for such a device was hideous.

[gibson042]

With those colors, O2 definitely wins on styling. Am I the only one who thinks Vodafone ruined HTC's design, though? The phone buttons just look so good integrated into the lines of the device like on the O2 and the T-Mobile.

[NLS]

O2 for me too.

Seems that most people like this "darker" trend. In PCs the companies got the message... why not for PPC?

I wouldn't get this device for a reason though. I prefer not having GSM/GPRS (well, having it through bluetooth is ok) and instead have the features of FSC LOOX 720.

I always like PocketPC phones, but after I used both a pure pocketpc phone, and 2-3 versions of pocketpc with ADDED phone (CF and PCMCIA, sleeved or directly on device) I found out that we are far from having BOTH a fully featured PocketPC and a COMPLETE cell phone replacement. Reason? Energy. I love that I can forget charging my phone for a few days and in NO case it will empty within ONE day. Not the case with PocketPC phones and PocketPC with added phone cards. I still remember my first "attempt" for a "complete device". It was a Cassiopeia E-200 (GREAT device) and I had a PCMCIA sleeve (which included a second battery!) and an early Globetrotter PCMCIA GSM/GPRS card. Result? Three batteries EACH DAY to keep it working for something like 12-14 hours! Then I switched to an early also (beta) Audiovox CF GSM/GPRS without the sleeve. Also three batteries. I've made various different combinations from that time (up to my current iPAQ 5450).

So even if somebody made an FSC LOOX 720 (I am talking about 720 because I believe it's the most featured) with everything it has now PLUS the option to have GSM/GPRS or GPS (both without "eating up" any of the slots), I would choose... the GPS version. After all with a CF-enabled device (again such as LOOX 720) we could add a CF card like Audiovox makes. No I won't do such a stupid thing again. I prefer leaving CF slot empty, or putting my 512MB CF or putting my CF GPS (although I prefer using my bluetooth GPS since it won't drain my PocketPC and has an independent screen for someone to see) and using the device "bluetoothed" with my cell phone.

For people arguing that in this case you have to carry more devices with you: Yes indeed, they also consume power INDEPENDENTLY and this way each lasts longer. The PocketPC will be usable all day (in practice), phone for days, a possible GPS for many hours... In the other case? Your phone "side" of the PocketPC will render you PDA-less in 3-4 (you want 4-5? you want 6? ok) hours, not being able to use any of it's single-packaged features. If you don't want to see your phone ever, leave it in your pocket, have a bluetooth headset and do all your answering and dialing without the phone ever leaving your pocket. There are stupidly cheapo bluetooth enabled phones now (like some Ericsson oldies) if you don't want to pay more (and why would you, if you keep your phone in your pocket all the time).

Most people that want a PocketPC Phone is because if they haven't used one, or are romantic enough to believe that their next PocketPC Phone won't have the limitations of their current model.

In usability and PRACTICAL use all day long, NO POCKETPC PHONE is even NEAR a pure cell phone or even (but ok closer) a treo, a nokia communicator or a P800/900/910 (with their very low power consumption)... I would like that, but it's not the case.

Next.

[surur]

While these devices are not mass market yet, as phones they certainly start to appeal to a market which would not normally approach a pocketpc.

HTC has actually made it very difficult to choose the next XDA. This model has a keyboard and wifi, while the next XDA has no keyboard, 520Mhz processor and a 1.3 Megapixel camera, but no wifi. It really forces you to make some hard choices. To recap:

XDA IIs
400Mhz processor
VGA camera
WIFI
Bluetooth - widdcomm stack !! :) :)
Keyboard
WM 2003 SE

XDA IIi
520Mhz processor
1.3 Megapixel camera
Bluetooth MS stack :( :(
NO wifi
No keyboard
WM 2003 SE

So which is more important to you? Speed and good camera, then XDAi. Keyboard and wifi, but poor camera and now slower processor, but very good bluetooth stack. It is going to be a difficult choice. Either way I congratulate HTC in producing best of class devices, unlike the mpx and hp6315, with all the compromises they have made.

Surur

[surur]

With those colors, O2 definitely wins on styling. Am I the only one who thinks Vodaphone ruined HTC's design, though? The phone buttons just look so good integrated into the lines of the device like on the O2 and the T-Mobile.

I actually prefer the sleek likes of the vodaphone unit, vs the rounder "fatter" appearance of the other devices. It is already a heavy, large unit. Making it "rounded" was probably not the best way to go. Of note is that face of the current XDA 2 is pretty flat, not rounded at all.

Surur

[thunderck]

I would like the O2 look on a VZW network. :? neeevvverrrr gonna happen....... :lol:

[surur]

Most people that want a PocketPC Phone is because if they haven't used one, or are romantic enough to believe that their next PocketPC Phone won't have the limitations of their current model.
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In usability and PRACTICAL use all day long, NO POCKETPC PHONE is even NEAR a pure cell phone or even (but ok closer) a treo, a nokia communicator or a P800/900/910 (with their very low power consumption)... I would like that, but it's not the case.


Which is the last ppcphone you used? Your experience may be very dated. The nice thing about the new pocketpc phones are that they would be high-end units even without being phones, and only lack VGA screens. They are a far cry from the old xda units, with poor screens, small memories and slow processors. If you only use your pocketpcphone as a phone it will certainly last a few days without a charge, just like any modern mobile phone. And if you played games constantly on your mobile phone with the backlight on, it will also drain in less than a day. In the end its down to usage. Certainly with an extended battery you will be able to get through any day with an XDA 2.

Surur

[gibson042]

For people arguing that in this case you have to carry more devices with you: Yes indeed, they also consume power INDEPENDENTLY and this way each lasts longer. The PocketPC will be usable all day (in practice), phone for days, a possible GPS for many hours... In the other case? Your phone "side" of the PocketPC will render you PDA-less in 3-4 (you want 4-5? you want 6? ok) hours, not being able to use any of it's single-packaged features. If you don't want to see your phone ever, leave it in your pocket, have a bluetooth headset and do all your answering and dialing without the phone ever leaving your pocket. There are stupidly cheapo bluetooth enabled phones now (like some Ericsson oldies) if you don't want to pay more (and why would you, if you keep your phone in your pocket all the time).

Reviews of the iPAQ h6300 series report 7 hours of use from the 1800 mAh battery at its maximum brightness with all wireless radios on. The optional 3600 mAh would undoubtedly last you all day, no matter how long your day is or how intense your usage. While the Blue Angel lacks this longevity (which came at the sacrifice of processor speed), the bluetooth headset you've already mentioned will significantly reduce battery drain from phone calls, leaving you with an all-day PPC and one less device to carry around.

Aside from that convenience, wireless carrier subsidies in the USA make it cheaper to get a PPC Phone (when they're available, of course... *grumble*) than a low-end Bluetooth phone and a mid-range PPC. Mileage may vary elsewhere.

[jerryd]

Guess I'll echo a lot of previous responses by preferring the looks of the O2, and would gladly do without the camera

[NLS]

Reviews of the iPAQ h6300 series report 7 hours of use from the 1800 mAh battery at its maximum brightness with all wireless radios on. The optional 3600 mAh would undoubtedly last you all day, no matter how long your day is or how intense your usage.

Erm... no. If 1800mAh means 7 hours, then 3600mAh would mean 14 hours with my retard math. i.e. nowhere close to daily charging (once)

Also, I really do doubt that a 1800mAh battery holds a PDA with GSM/bt/WIFI on for 7 hours. REALLY doubt it. Can you direct me to one of those reviews?

Third, even if it did hold the device for 7 hours with all wireless on (again, I doubt it), this also means WITHOUT in fact using them. If you make 2-3 calls (let's not strech it to much all right?) then you easily drop to half. Let's not talk if you want to transfer something from the access point in that same day right? :-)

Since you quoted my text, where I mention the word "practical" you could take it into consideration. All those things are nice to show off, but I don't see any realistic implementation of a PocketPC phone yet - and even if there is one, the iPAQ is not it. Not even close (to my opinion it even sucks).

[bucho]

O2 for sure... Shoudn't there be a poll on this thread?

[gibson042]

Reviews of the iPAQ h6300 series report 7 hours of use from the 1800 mAh battery at its maximum brightness with all wireless radios on. The optional 3600 mAh would undoubtedly last you all day, no matter how long your day is or how intense your usage.

Erm... no. If 1800mAh means 7 hours, then 3600mAh would mean 14 hours with my retard math. i.e. nowhere close to daily charging (once)
...except for people who don't keep their Pocket PCs on continuously at their most taxing settings. Assuming 6 hours of sleep a night, you could be actively using an h63xx for 14 of the remaining 18 hours in the day at full brightness with all radios on.

Also, I really do doubt that a 1800mAh battery holds a PDA with GSM/bt/WIFI on for 7 hours. REALLY doubt it. Can you direct me to one of those reviews?
Not a problem. All of the below claim 7 hours from the 1800 mAh battery.

Battery Life - This is a DEFINATE (sic) plus! Battery life was much better than I expected. The battery for the iPaq 6315 is a 1800 mAh Lithium Ion. My testing was real life usage for a good weeks timeframe. I charged the unit overnight each day and used the following configuration: Max Backlight, Phone/GPRS on, Bluetooth On, Wifi On. An average day consisted of 1-2 hours of talk time, 1 hour of WiFi connected browsing at home, 1-2 hours of GPRS Modem browsing (at work/school) and constant fiddling with programs and games. I really never put the phone down. I would leave for work at 7am, get off at 5pm, school from 6pm to 8:30pm and the 6315 normally hit the cradle at 10pm with better than 25% battery to spare. I know this is less scientific than a benchmark, but it is true life scenarios. (maybe more than average too) HP did not drop the ball on the battery life!
Before you splurge on the extended life battery option, you should know that even with the standard battery you'll get about 7 hours of usage out of the iPaq 6315. That's an incredible amount of time, this number is quoted based on all of the wireless options being turned on and having the screen turned to full brightness! This is by far the best battery life I've had on any PDA. It's really important to have good battery life in a phone device, and HP pulled through on this. I consistently get 6 - 7 hours of use out of the iPaq before needing to charge it again.
In my non scientific testing I found I can get at least 8 hours of use out of one charge.

Third, even if it did hold the device for 7 hours with all wireless on (again, I doubt it), this also means WITHOUT in fact using them. If you make 2-3 calls (let's not strech it to much all right?) then you easily drop to half. Let's not talk if you want to transfer something from the access point in that same day right? :-)
Not true. See above.

Since you quoted my text, where I mention the word "practical" you could take it into consideration. All those things are nice to show off, but I don't see any realistic implementation of a PocketPC phone yet - and even if there is one, the iPAQ is not it. Not even close (to my opinion it even sucks).
It sure seems realistic to me. HTC made the very practical decision to use a lower power processor in exchange for the kind of battery life that you claim is impossible. Expect future devices to improve further upon battery life, processor power, or both.

[marlof]

Shoudn't there be a poll on this thread?

Nah... this is just an invitation to not only express your fav, but also explain why. ;)

[Jason Lee]

Erm... no. If 1800mAh means 7 hours, then 3600mAh would mean 14 hours with my retard math. i.e. nowhere close to daily charging (once)

Also, I really do doubt that a 1800mAh battery holds a PDA with GSM/bt/WIFI on for 7 hours. REALLY doubt it. Can you direct me to one of those reviews?

Third, even if it did hold the device for 7 hours with all wireless on (again, I doubt it), this also means WITHOUT in fact using them. If you make 2-3 calls (let's not strech it to much all right?) then you easily drop to half. Let's not talk if you want to transfer something from the access point in that same day right? :-)

Since you quoted my text, where I mention the word "practical" you could take it into consideration. All those things are nice to show off, but I don't see any realistic implementation of a PocketPC phone yet - and even if there is one, the iPAQ is not it. Not even close (to my opinion it even sucks).

My 2215 is rated for around 6 hours battery life using the same testing method as used with the 6300. I am a heavy user and only charge my ppc every 3-5 days. If I use my cheepy CF wifi card alot I can kill it in 2 days.
I think, mostly due to the 200 mhz processor, that 7 hour battery life will be more than enough for an entire day of even heavy useage. Lets face it, you will turn it off at some point during the day, and why in the world would you have the bluetooth, wifi, and phone running plus the back light at full blast for 7 hours nonstop? Of course it is not going to last as long as my mobile phone. I don't do anything with my phone except txt a bit and maybe a call every few days, it is mostly used for GPRS from my ppc. A PPC can be used for a whole lot more.
I know it's not great but the 6300 batter should easily last 2 days maybe more even with heavy usage. But I would still probably charge it evey night.. Never wanna run out of power for that toy! ;)

But I think I am still in the seperate device camp. I want a good (ie. brand new, top of the line, spanky fast) ppc and a bluetooth phone.
Upgrades are still way cheaper with seperate devices.

Oh and to stay on topic, i like the o2. nice colors

[NLS]

hope you are correct guys

of course you don't keep your PDA on all the time - but your phone you do

anyway in any case 6300 sux for me (sorry) - I'd really like to have one for a couple of days to see this brilliant use of 1800mAh myself...

LOOX 720 + a nice bluetooth phone (my trusty T610 is good enough, small enough, beautiful enough, sturdy enough, light enough and I don't need all the super-duper functions of new phones since 720 will subsitute for them) is a better combination for me... then I kick in my 256MB SD (no need to switch to a larger yet because of -> ) and maybe my 512MB CD and have my Fortuna GPSmart BT GPS somewhere near. Much better combination. (currently the same but substitute 720 for my 5450 and if needed, add my SilverSlider dual CF to use the 512MB card)

[Jason Lee]

LOOX 720 + a nice bluetooth phone (my trusty T610 is good enough, small enough, beautiful enough, sturdy enough, light enough and I don't need all the super-duper functions of new phones since 720 will subsitute for them) is a better combination for me...

I agree with you there. I got the Motorola v600 as soon as it came out. I was waiting for it so I could get the heck out of Sprint. I will keep that phone for the forseeable future. It only functions as my network connection for my PPC.
Now if I could only decide on a replacement for my hp2215... :?

[maximus]

If you could choose one of these three designs, which one would it be?

Definitely the O2 design.

Also, I really do doubt that a 1800mAh battery holds a PDA with GSM/bt/WIFI on for 7 hours. REALLY doubt it. Can you direct me to one of those reviews?


I got averagely 14 hours on 1400mah battery on axim X5 with GSM/GPRS. Lots of GPRS and SMS, lots of ogg listening and emails/games. Of course the screen is off during idle. No wifi/bluetooth though.

[gibson042]

anyway in any case 6300 sux for me (sorry) - I'd really like to have one for a couple of days to see this brilliant use of 1800mAh myself...
Despite its amazing battery life, I have no interest in the h6300 series either. These Blue Angel devices, though (to bring this conversation back on topic :wink:), have me drooling. WM2003SE, an integrated (and well designed in my opinion) backlit QWERTY keypad, 400 MHz processor, six (eight?) programmable soft keys PLUS a slider, and a still respectable 1490 mAh battery.

If only they would lose the camera and upgrade the screen to VGA.

[bnycastro]

The O2 color is very nice :)

But I would probably get an i-mate they say it has more value for money in terms of apps pre-installed in rom (not sure about this). Hopefully this is not too expensive when it comes out :D

[ctmagnus]

I might as well toss in my vote for the O2 as well. I want it in Canada, though.

[maximus]

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bah. what is mung ? :p

[NLS]

anyway in any case 6300 sux for me (sorry) - I'd really like to have one for a couple of days to see this brilliant use of 1800mAh myself...
Despite its amazing battery life, I have no interest in the h6300 series either. These Blue Angel devices, though (to bring this conversation back on topic :wink:), have me drooling. WM2003SE, an integrated (and well designed in my opinion) backlit QWERTY keypad, 400 MHz processor, six (eight?) programmable soft keys PLUS a slider, and a still respectable 1490 mAh battery.

If only they would lose the camera and upgrade the screen to VGA.

I keep hearing of people not wanting a camera. Can I ask why? If you don't like it, don't use it. Nice to be there (and add photos to my contacts just like that).

The keyboard definately rules, 400MHz do not.
Six (eight???) programmable keys? Sure?
Yes they should have gone VGA and all of them should have moved to 18bit (or more) screens too.

[surur]

The keyboard definitely rules, 400MHz do not.

Its 400Mhz vs 190 something Mhz of the HP 6315. Definitely a favourable comparison. The XDA IIi (due early 2005) will have a 520Mhz processor.

Surur

[gibson042]

I keep hearing of people not wanting a camera. Can I ask why? If you don't like it, don't use it. Nice to be there (and add photos to my contacts just like that).
My office has banned cameras. If I ever join a gym, most (if not all) in my area have as well. Because of the recent proliferation of camera phones and the misbehavior of a few, it's a route that many establishments in the USA are taking. I refuse to purchase a device that doesn't offer a camera-free model... or even better, a model with a removeable camera. Now THAT would be something I could use.

The keyboard definately rules, 400MHz do not.
400 MHz is fast enough to run anything out there. Sure, it isn't 624, but I feel that 400 MHz is currently the sweet spot in the processor speed vs. battery life tradeoff for Phone Edition devices.

Six (eight???) programmable keys? Sure?
Looking at the picture posted at the start of this thread, you can see two buttons above the screen, and four between the screen and the D-pad. These default to Contacts, Calendar, "Start", E-mail, PIE, and "OK", but all of them can be re-assigned. On the side of the unit there is a camera button and a voice record button, and I think those can be re-assigned as well.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/marlof-20040914-blueangelIII.jpg

Yes they should have gone VGA and all of them should have moved to 18bit (or more) screens too.
Agreed. I want (and use) WiFi mainly for web browsing, and after experiencing a VGA screen I just can't go back. While I have no complaint with current color depth, you'll never hear me complain about quadrupling it. :D

[dMores]

i'd go for the vodafone version. it somehow looks like the most sophisticated. the O2 device reminds me of those old jornadas, the color makes it look rather cheap.

oh, and the vodafone unit has a keyboard!

;)

[gibson042]

i'd go for the vodafone version. it somehow looks like the most sophisticated. the O2 device reminds me of those old jornadas, the color makes it look rather cheap.

oh, and the vodafone unit has a keyboard!

;)
Speaking of which, I really want to see what the keypad looks like on the O2 version. Perhaps like this, even in the light...
http://mobile-review.com/pda/review/image/htc/blue-angel/pic06.jpg

[NLS]

nononono!

don't EVER go for a Vodafon device!
these guys believe we are sheep! they customise and in fact LIMIT the devices so to push you to use their services!

my T610 is unfortunately vodafone (although not SIM locked), except the PRINTED logo of voda on the phone (BUT WHY?), they have also changed the icons of the menu to plain 4-color geometric ones (from nice artistic multicolor that are the default) - also if S-E finds you have flashed the phone to non-voda firmware (the early versions could do it), since they have a deal with voda, they invalidate your warranty!

I also remember a samsung phone or something (a friend had that) that because it was vodafon-live, it did not allow you to irDA-send photos taken with the phone and you HAD to use their MMS/email system!!! (the same phone could send the photos with irDA if you didn't buy it Live)

I wonder how they would mess this device... many ways to do it

I AM NO SHEEP - I have the same phone number in my cell phone for the last 9 years or something (!) but I am willing to change to get rid of those a**holes

(seems I am negative with quite a few things right hehehe)

[maximus]

I keep hearing of people not wanting a camera. Can I ask why? If you don't like it, don't use it. Nice to be there (and add photos to my contacts just like that).


There are more and more places that disallow customers to bring cameras, such as gyms, furniture shop, etc.

I am seriously considering dropping my membership at my current gym, because starting last monday, they banned any kind of camera in the gym. Apparently someone went into the ladies room and took pictures of the bathing ladies ... (doh, it only takes one psycho to ruin it for the rest of us).

So I asked the receptionist, what should I do with my motorola V600 and minolta dimage (which always go with me wherever I go, even during my morning potty) ? The lady asked me to put it in my bag, and stove it in the locker. And at that precise time, a person is running to the receptionist making a complain that his wallet+watch+PDA+handphone is missing from his locker.

No thanks.

[bnycastro]

i'd go for the vodafone version. it somehow looks like the most sophisticated. the O2 device reminds me of those old jornadas, the color makes it look rather cheap.

oh, and the vodafone unit has a keyboard!

;) All of them have the keyboard... the other two i think just have it retracted :)

[NLS]

i'd go for the vodafone version. it somehow looks like the most sophisticated. the O2 device reminds me of those old jornadas, the color makes it look rather cheap.

oh, and the vodafone unit has a keyboard!

;)

ehm... man they are all the same device and all have a keyboard
they are just different colored and have some external bits changed

[dMores]

yes, thank you, i know. guess why i put the twinkle-eyed-smiley underneath !

DUH !

:)

anyway, i couldn't even get the vodafone if i wanted to since i live in austria. but my carrier will probably have one that resembles the 02 device.
this said provider also "brands" it's phones. but it's removable. on every S60 device, and even my p900, they installed an alternative menu, where you cycle through options in circles. i guess someone sold this to them since their logo is a giant blue "o".
but it was simple to uninstall, and i liked it that mms, sms, web favorites etc. were pre-configured. i tend to screw those things up :)

[100thMonkey]

Is anybody else fearful that the keyboard is going to really suck because it has to have flush keys (rather than raised like P50 and Treo) in order to allow the slider motion?

[maximus]

Hmm. the keypad on my motorola V600 is flush, but I consider this as one of the best keypad I have ever touched.

[NLS]

Despite its amazing battery life....

sorry to take you a bit back off topic but this would be interesting:

http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=697310&admit=716493758+1095405393943+28353475

[gibson042]

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