Gmail And The Pocket PC

[Ed Hansberry]

Need I say more? :| <br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2004/20040611-nogmail.jpg" />

[jkendrick]

Hacking the registry to emulate IE 5.x and higher doesn't work either.

[Willmonwah]

Google responds to user suggestions with the following:

... You might be interested to hear that we are working on many upcoming
features:

- Automatic forwarding of your email to another account
- Plain HTML version of Gmail
- Import/export Contacts

We hope you enjoy Google's approach to email...


So if this is the case, let's be patient :). In the mean time, this is something else we throw in the pile of PIE gripes: lack of proper Javascript support.

[ctmagnus]

I noticed the issue with Ed's screen shot as well. :bad-words:

[daS]

The one thing that is missing from the upcoming GMail features is the ability to inform senders that the messages they write to GMail users will be placed in a system that is being scanned in order to sell the (formerly) private information to advertisers. :evil:

If someone is willing to allow this invasion of their own privacy by Google, it's certainly their business, but I think it should be required to disclose that they are using GMail to anyone that they give their email address to. Of course, it would be fine if everyone that uses GMail simply always gives their GMail address, but unfortunately for those of us that would prefer not to have our private messages used for a third party's commercial purposes, GMail use can be hidden behind email forwarding. 8O

Perhaps Google should offer an "opt-out" list to assure that emails from people on the list will never be scanned by their system. In the meantime, GMail is an evil abuse of privacy. (BTW: I'm not heartbroken that it doesn't work on the Pocket PC. :lol: )

[Willmonwah]

The one thing that is missing from the upcoming GMail features is the ability to inform senders that the messages they write to GMail users will be placed in a system that is being scanned in order to sell the (formerly) private information to advertisers. :evil:


There seems to be a lot of misinformation about Gmail. Google does not "sell" personal information. They simply generate customized ads that are most relevant to your email in order to subsidize the email service and make them a profit. The only time the advertiser gets a hint at what's in your email is when you click on the ads. At least Gmail doesn't place ads in your email like many other free providers do. The ads are discretely placed and are unobtrusive.

And for the data mining bit, Google makes it very clear that they want to gain the trust of the user by being very explicit in what it will do with your email. This committment is more than what we get from other providers. You have a simple way of deleting your account if their policies ever change. Don't worry about them keeping your info after it's deleted, because they also make it clear that they don't.

[daS]

And for the data mining bit, Google makes it very clear that they want to gain the trust of the user by being very explicit in what it will do with your email.

The problem I have with this is that they are mining messages that I might send when I'm not one of their customers, and because their user could have a different address forwarded to thier GMail account, I don't even know my message to that person is stored and indexed in the GMail account.

Of course I know that email is always subject to being mined by any server along the way, so privacy is certainly not guaranteed. But this is the first time that a legitimate company is making it their policy to read everyone's mail. :evil:

[Janak Parekh]

Of course I know that email is always subject to being mined by any server along the way, so privacy is certainly not guaranteed. But this is the first time that a legitimate company is making it their policy to read everyone's mail. :evil:
Whoa. 8O Wait a minute here. There are a number of problems with your argument.

First, employees at Google isn't reading the email - there's a piece of software that's scanning it. Much like, spam filtering or the MTA itself -- or even the mail reader. It's doing content analysis - but so does my spam filter and my rules engine.

Second, what about all the companies you send email to? How do you know they don't have admins actually skimming through the emails? Or tools capturing the email? Or a Carnivore box at the ISP? As soon as email leaves your server via SMTP, it is not private. If you want it to be private, encrypt it via S/MIME or PGP/GPG. That would act as the equivalent of an envelope. As it is, you're handing the Internet a bunch of bytes in plaintext. Every SMTP server along the way is reading your email to determine a destination. The router is reading the packet headers. Etc.

Put simply, I don't see how you can make the case for a privacy violation here.

--janak

[Janak Parekh]

Need I say more? :|
It is a beta, Ed. ;) Send 'em feedback if you haven't done so already. From what I've heard, they do very heavy Javascripting right now, and that they're working on a plainer, more browsers-compatible version.

--janak

[Willmonwah]

The problem I have with this is that they are mining messages that I might send when I'm not one of their customers...
Sorry, but what I was trying to say was that Google currently does not mine your email en masse for info. I hope they never do so for profit (since they must cooperate with certain governmental requests). The ads next to your individual email messages are generated each time email is displayed on your browser and that's the magic. The only person who sees that ads are they same people to whom you send your email.
Combing through ALL of your mail wouldn't really help them advertise any more efficiently than the current system of looking only at what's on the page.

[Pony99CA]

The problem I have with this is that they are mining messages that I might send when I'm not one of their customers...
Sorry, but what I was trying to say was that Google currently does not mine your email en masse for info. I hope they never do so for profit (since they must cooperate with certain governmental requests). The ads next to your individual email messages are generated each time email is displayed on your browser and that's the magic. The only person who sees that ads are they same people to whom you send your email.
Combing through ALL of your mail wouldn't really help them advertise any more efficiently than the current system of looking only at what's on the page.
While I agree that GMail doesn't violate the privacy of the mail recipient (after all, they agreed to the GMail Terms Of Service), I can see David's point. I think he's worried about the privacy of the E-mail sender.

Consider the following. Suppose Google indexed keywords from the subject and body of E-mail David sent to somebody on GMail. Suppose they further aggregated it across any GMail account David sent E-mail to. Now suppose they sold that information to advertisers so that David got targeted by companies based on his "private" communications with people that happened to be GMail users.

Personally, I doubt they do that, because there would have been a much larger uproar than there already has been, but does Google promise that they won't mine E-mail like that, especially for non-users of GMail?

Steve

[surur]

The problem I have with this is that they are mining messages that I might send when I'm not one of their customers...
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The only person who sees that ads are they same people to whom you send your email.
Combing through ALL of your mail wouldn't really help them advertise any more efficiently than the current system of looking only at what's on the page.

Interesting point actually. Suppose you send some-one a quote or business proposal to their Gmail account. Now suddenly next to the e-mail will be 10 counter proposals automatically generated by G-mail. If it is as good as google normally is, people may make a point of forwarding their mail from other accounts through G-mail, just because of the automatic searching of the commercial space. Imagine you sign up to a newsletter from a dealer. Now next to every offer you get, you will get 10 further offers from other vendors. I can see how people SELLING something will not like that.

Surur

[Willmonwah]

Personally, I doubt they do that, because there would have been a much larger uproar than there already has been, but does Google promise that they won't mine E-mail like that, especially for non-users of GMail?

In determining what, if any, email service you use, the relevancy and intrusiveness of Gmail's advertising, not to mention the service's unique benefits and drawbacks, should be weighed against those of other companies. The possibility that an email provider could go foraging around in its databases to make targeted spam lists is in no way specific to Google. Any provider has access to tons of email that you send. Also, what Janak says is important- any number of parties has access to your email once it's sent, and there are ways to protect your email from any type of inspection.

I'm sorry if it seems like I live in this thread, but I've done a little too much thinking about how great Gmail is . :wink:

[Jonathan1]

Interesting point actually. Suppose you send some-one a quote or business proposal to their Gmail account. Now suddenly next to the e-mail will be 10 counter proposals automatically generated by G-mail. If it is as good as google normally is, people may make a point of forwarding their mail from other accounts through G-mail, just because of the automatic searching of the commercial space. Imagine you sign up to a newsletter from a dealer. Now next to every offer you get, you will get 10 further offers from other vendors. I can see how people SELLING something will not like that.

Surur


If you don’t like it don't use it and stop complaining. :roll: No one is holding a gun to your head to sign up and never mind the fact that, AFAICT, its not available to the masses as of yet. Also anyone who does serious business across these freebee web e-mail accounts is stupid. Example.
Hotmail incinerates customer files (http://news.com.com/Hotmail+incinerates+customer+files/2100-1038_3-5226090.html)
A hotmail server just recently went down. Hotmail's response. Ooops sorry nothing we can do about it. Have a nice day. There are no backups on these things typically. And speaking of hotmail I would suggests anyone who is complaining about Google read through Hotmail's EULA.
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So please. It’s not like Google is out to get everyone. They are trying a new method of giving YOU a free product. Give them a chance to prove themselves before you label them as some dirty company. Frankly Google won't stand a chance in heck against MS, Yahoo and the like if they pulled such a stunt. Keep in mind Google is in a major battle for search supremasy. Right now its king of the hill but if it pulled such a stunt as distributing stats it would be toppled overnight.

[Pony99CA]

In determining what, if any, email service you use, the relevancy and intrusiveness of Gmail's advertising, not to mention the service's unique benefits and drawbacks, should be weighed against those of other companies.
You seem to be missing the point completely. It has nothing to do about who my E-mail provider is, but what E-mail providers people I send E-mail to have.

People who do not have accounts on GMail are getting their E-mail scanned. This might worry them.

The possibility that an email provider could go foraging around in its databases to make targeted spam lists is in no way specific to Google. Any provider has access to tons of email that you send. Also, what Janak says is important- any number of parties has access to your email once it's sent, and there are ways to protect your email from any type of inspection.
I know that other companies could also scan E-mail. The point is that Google is explicitly scanning E-mail from the sender. Yes, other providers scan E-mail for viruses and such, but this is the first time I've heard of that E-mail will be scanned not to protect the ISP but to generate revenue.

I personally don't care if they just scan the E-mail to present ads to the recipient. However, if they start aggregating information about me -- the sender -- that's another issue.

I'm not claiming that Google does that, and, as I said, I doubt they will. It's just something to think about.

Steve

[Chucky]

Once youve sent an email to a person, that person owns the email. If that doesn't suit you then you had better draw up some contracts with the recipient to protect yourself.

Of course if GMail was mining information about the senders of emails sent to GMail accounts that would be bad. However from my knowledge GMail is simply looking at the email so it can then show an appropriate ad to the user, now that hardly seems bad now does it? Please all you privacy advocates, shut the hell up until you have some proof that GMail is actually going to have any form of interaction with the sender!

[surur]

Let me re-iterate. This service is very intrusive into the communication you have with a person with a Gmail account (which you may have very little choice about if it becomes very popular). And the main thing is that this is by design, not some malevolent accident. A few scenarios:

Your girlfriend has a g-mail account. Everytime you e-mail her sweet nothings she gets ads for singles matching services.

You are a consultant of some kind. Everytime you e-mail a client using the service (and there are plenty of small businesses using hotmail currently. Have you seen the number of aol email addresses still around?) your offer is surrounded by ads from alternate providers.

Of course all this is good for the Gmail user, and increases their choice. However for a user communicating with a gmail user its all bad, and they will have no choice but to consent to this treatment if they want to communicate with them.

Now I am a Google fan also, but I dont think one should rabidly defend them at all cost. This is the primary purpose of this Gmail venture, and imagine how much they can charge for ads that now intermediate in previously private conversation.

Surur

[foldedspace]

Does using NetFront instead of PIE work?

[arebelspy]

Does using NetFront instead of PIE work?

An on topic post? 8O

Is that allowed!?

:lol:

-arebelspy

[Chucky]

However for a user communicating with a gmail user its all bad, and they will have no choice but to consent to this treatment if they want to communicate with them.
So basically, GMail is wrong because it introduces competition? In my country we have laws against being anti-competitive, but to my knowledge no laws against being compeitive.

[surur]

Im not saying its good or bad, just very different, and certainly bad for some people. People should realise this is not your average web mail service. You may find yourself on the bad side unexpectedly. Its certainly innovative, and I admire google their business acumen. This is similar to a cellphone service that, during the conversation, analyse what is being said, and then plays very relevant ads to only one side of the conversation.

E.g you are applying for a job in engineering. You telephone, and while you discuss your resume, a Monster.com add is played to the person you are speaking to, telling him of another candidate with similar qualifications, who will work for less. Its good for the business, but bad luck for you.

Surur

(and dont say this is impossible. Google is already working on a speech interface for their search engine)

[DavidHorn]

Without wanting to throw insults, the arrogance of some people is astonishing. Millions upon millions of people will use G-mail. Do you really think that someone at Google will be carefully reading your email and thinking, "Wow, he's sending nuclear weapon assembly tips in his email. Better stick in an advert for cheap screwdrivers."

It's no worse than the little ads that appear at the side of Google searches. I like them and will usually click on something interesting.

When your email is important enough for you to worry about a computer reading it, then you may have a point. But the advertiser doesn't know that his ad has appeared in your email. He just knows that it has been shown somewhere, in someone's email.

[doctahizzle]

A lot of these points are probably moot. How much do you want to bet that some enterprising hacker will release some program that will disable the ads from being viewed, etc.

Personally, I would not even be interested in such a program because as somebody mentioned before, it would be in my BEST interest to check out the competition. I have always found Google results to be the most relevant out of all search engines. Prior to Google I really hated searching for anything over the net.

Kudos to Google for coming out with an innovative idea. Already, many other companies had to update their MB limits thanks to Google. I doubt Hotmail will remain at its PATHETIC 2 MB limit if Google comes out with 1 GB. The mass exodus will be enormous if they don't release some sort of free upgrade at the same time.

My 2 cents CDN.

Docta Hizzle

[Pony99CA]

Without wanting to throw insults, the arrogance of some people is astonishing. Millions upon millions of people will use G-mail. Do you really think that someone at Google will be carefully reading your email and thinking, "Wow, he's sending nuclear weapon assembly tips in his email. Better stick in an advert for cheap screwdrivers."
What's truly astonishing is how badly you've missed the point. We know that no people will be reading the E-mail.

The point is that the GMail servers -- which work tirelessly -- will be scanning E-mail sent to their users to present ads. In fact, your scenario probably isn't too far off -- the GMail servers will likely look for keywords in the E-mail (like "hardware" and "screws") and present ads that are likely relevant (like "cheap screwdrivers"), the same way they present ads on Web pages.

And if you don't think Google is tracking which keywords are used and which ads are presented, I think you're being naive. That's how they will be able to charge advertisers for ads -- they more popular keywords will command higher prices.

However, as I have said, I don't have a problem with the recipient getting ads -- that's the trade-off he makes for using GMail. If he doesn't want ads, he shouldn't use GMail. :duh:

The bigger problem would be if those same servers are also categorizing information about the users sending E-mail to GMail users, people who may not have any relationship with Google. Imagine what marketing companies would pay to know that 80% of E-mail you sent to GMail users dealt with a child. They could send you E-mail targeted toward parents or grandparents. I think that's what daS was getting at.

I suppose that the CAN-SPAM law's provision against "electronically harvested" E-mail addresses could prevent that, but perhaps Google could claim they had a business relationship with you because you sent E-mail to one of their users (which would be a long stretch, in my opinion).

Also, I have repeatedly said that I doubt Google would actually try something like that, but it's something to watch out for. If GMail doesn't do it, but becomes successful, maybe another company will get into the business of providing free E-mail so they can harvest marketing data. Anybody who wants that please raise your hand. :twisted:

Steve

[Pony99CA]

A lot of these points are probably moot. How much do you want to bet that some enterprising hacker will release some program that will disable the ads from being viewed, etc.
The points about GMail possibly categorizing E-mail from the senders are not moot. The GMail servers could do that before the Web-based interface ever displayed ads.

Steve

[Ed Hansberry]

The one thing that is missing from the upcoming GMail features is the ability to inform senders that the messages they write to GMail users will be placed in a system that is being scanned in order to sell the (formerly) private information to advertisers. :evil:
That is up to the person giving the gmail address out, and off topic for this thread. :wink:

:nonono:

[foldedspace]

But I bet it works with Netfront :D

Yahoo mail had to revert to the old format with the ppc 2002 PIE. Netfront for 2002 handled it no problem...and the reformatting it does is pretty nice.

I'm getting an X30 (doesn't ship until July 2nd! :roll: ), and had a question about the 'new' PIE in WM2003SE. Is it good enough to eschew NetFront for 2003, or does it still fall flat?

[Ed Hansberry]

But I bet it works with Netfront :D

Yahoo mail had to revert to the old format with the ppc 2002 PIE. Netfront for 2002 handled it no problem...and the reformatting it does is pretty nice.

I'm getting an X30 (doesn't ship until July 2nd! :roll: ), and had a question about the 'new' PIE in WM2003SE. Is it good enough to eschew NetFront for 2003, or does it still fall flat?
I'd like to hear from Thunderhawk and Netfront users that have a gmail account. Heck, even if you don't, try to log in. The login screen redirects you to the screenshot in the original post.

PIE in 2003SE is better at Fit to screen and sites with multple columns, but it is still PIE and based on the same engine PIE from WM2003 is.

[Rob Alexander]

Your girlfriend has a g-mail account. Everytime you e-mail her sweet nothings she gets ads for singles matching services.

If your relationship with your girlfriend is threatened by an ad for a singles matching service (something she probably gets every day in her spam), then your relationship wasn't going to last the week anyway.

You are a consultant of some kind. Everytime you e-mail a client using the service (and there are plenty of small businesses using hotmail currently. Have you seen the number of aol email addresses still around?) your offer is surrounded by ads from alternate providers.

Yeah, in fact you don't want to let your clients use the Internet at all because there are all those web sites out there letting them know you are not the only person in the world who does the type of work you do. Why, if they knew there were others out there, you'd never get any business at all.

On the other hand, you could not worry about who else your potential client hears from (since you can't control it anyway) and concentrate on providing the best possible service at the best possible price, thereby being successful because you're good at what you do instead of because your clients thought they had no other choice.

E.g you are applying for a job in engineering. You telephone, and while you discuss your resume, a Monster.com add is played to the person you are speaking to, telling him of another candidate with similar qualifications, who will work for less. Its good for the business, but bad luck for you.

Yes, and I'm sure this is a super-secret job that the company didn't advertise and so they will only be considering your application. If there is someone else out there with similar qualifications who is looking for a job, then they probably already know about each other.

Seriously, you guys need to get a grip. You'll never succeed in life by hoping that people who might employ, contract with, or date you are only doing so because they are unaware of alternatives. Even before the Internet, there was still competition for women, jobs and contracts. This changes nothing.

The simple truth is that there is no such thing as privacy in (non-encrypted) email. Every email you send bounces around through several servers, any of which can intercept, read, scan, store and data-mine your email. Your email is more like a postcard than a letter, with or without Gmail, and any pretense that it's otherwise is purely an illusion.

If you can't live with that, then set up PGP encryption between you and your clients and girlfriend, and apply for jobs through postal mail. Then neither Google nor anyone else will be able to scan your communication. You also have one other option... don't address an email to a Gmail address. You guys act as if your choices are being removed, but they're not. Gmail will not get any email from you of any type if you do not sign up, and do not write anyone who's signed up. It's still your choice.

[jeffmd]

it seems most of you have not bothered to read gmails faq and info pages.

Gmail does everything standered web mail services provide... and LESS.

On the fly sidebar ad's are generated when you open an email, based on the words in the email. This is computer controled and the only data that might be saved here is how many occurances a word might come up (simular to how search sites retain the number of popular searches done). The companies whos ad's show up in the sidebard have actually no clue that their ad has poped up, nore did they actually pay for that ad. the ad is a search result exactly like what happens using google search.

Other then the opening of the mail, any other automated scanings are nothing more then usual virus scans, and scanning for spam filters. So google dosnt actually sell any information, it provides an email service using the same ad revenue (how ever it works, I have no idea) process google uses on their other search engines. While email isnt a search itself, a search is initiated when you open an email.

And no email is opened by human hands unless for the usual legal reasons, either required by law, court order, or if there is suspicion that an email could cause harm to google in some way, the same rules all isp and email providers require.

[bjornkeizers]

I spend, on average, maybe three hours a day on the internet or behind a computer with an open internet page. During that time, I am subjected to hundreds of ads: hotmail, PPCThoughts, pocketmatrix, the dailys, every page has at least two, three banners on them. Same thing goes for most of you.

Now, name me the last ten ads you saw.

You can't. Why? Because you tune them out. After a while, you don't hear the noise of the keyboard keys. The fan noise magically disappears and those banners... well, just another colorful blob to me.

I for one don't have a problem with Gmail's approach. And I'm one of the most paranoid people out there. So, Gmail wants to show me ads that might actually be useful to me? Oh my, how ever will I stop them!?! I'd much rather see another IQ test banner pretty please!

Your Email is never secure. It passes through a hundred different systems in the blink of an eye, all of whom have potential full access to your message. If it's personal, then don't write it! Want your customers to notice you? Then don't send them spam! Simple as that.

[David Prahl]

Keep in mind that is thread is discussing Pocket PC compatibility, not Google's advertising methods or motives. But before we (hopefully) turn this thread in that direction, here is a short song and dance:

I have a G-mail account, and I love it.

I get Computer World's daily "Shark Tank" IT joke/story. An actual (censored) screenshot I just took...HERE (http://www.christianfamilyradio.net/mac_temp_junk/google.jpg).

See? They're not banner ads, and I don't even notice or read them. We're used to this kind of advertising. Google does it on almost every web search.

Also check out the privacy policy (which I've read and find quite fair):
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/privacy.html

[surur]

Rob, I see from your bio you are an academic. I can assure you that there are few businesses, or even people, who would like to compete in a perfectly frictionless world.

Just look at all the programmers complaining about outsourcing...

Surur

[Tye]

Thunderhawk gives me the same screen. "Gmail does not currently support your browser."
I don't like NetFront so can't test that.

[Tye]

Actually, on my Thunderhawk screen there is a difference. It gives me an option to "Sign in anyway".
Hmm, doesn't like Opera either. That sucks.

[foldedspace]

I'm signing up as soon as they are available. I have a Spymac address that also gives you 1gb of storage, but it's rather slow and clumsy. If I ever need to secure my correspondence, I'll sign up for a Hushmail account.

[surur]

Just to add something ontopic: In Netfront 3.1 there is no sign of the unsupported browser page, while the same page on pocket IE says it is not supported.

Surur

[Pam]

I downloaded a trial of Thunderhawk and successfully managed to log in to my Gmail account and view mail. :)

Also downloaded NetFront version 3.1 - it didn't say that the browser was incompatible but didnt show the username and password fields to allow me to log in.

Once the HTML version of GMail is available we should be able to access Gmail with Pocket Internet Explorer. Here's hoping that's soon!

[bjornkeizers]

You know, I'll try it on my Clie TH55, and let you know how that works out. *evil grin*

[David Prahl]

You know, I'll try it on my Clie TH55, and let you know how that works out. *evil grin*

:rotfl:
Or you could download it with AvantGo!

[orol]

You know, I'll try it on my Clie TH55, and let you know how that works out. *evil grin*

:rotfl:
Or you could download it with AvantGo!

well, clies have netfront 3.1 built in :-) which is way supperior then PIE :-) as proven by many WM users of NF 3.1 :-))

[Brad Adrian]

As soon as email leaves your server via SMTP, it is not private.
That's a good point. Does anybody know the technical and LEGAL standing here? From a legal standpoint, when does my e-mail message become public? If it is truly public once it leaves my server, does that mean that the government can read all of my messages without a warrant, like they would need for a phone tap?

Just curious.

[Thinkingmandavid]

bran adrian wrote
If it is truly public once it leaves my server, does that mean that the government can read all of my messages without a warrant, like they would need for a phone tap?
That is a good question. As I was reading the posts, I was thinking, if there is a key word search, more than likely it sets off red flags for certain words/phrases that the government should be made aware of. For instance, using an overly obvious example, if someone uses the word "bomb", then maybe it is tracked for government (FBI). If there is enough of an occurance with a certain user(s) then it becomes a "tap" as brad mentioned. It is possible in such an occurance that brad's question is important, and it is also important that such occurances may already be figured into stated laws for said government(FBI).

[Edgar_]

Just a side note:

Gmail works fine with my NetFront browser - I use it everyday.

-Edgar

[Janak Parekh]

That's a good point. Does anybody know the technical and LEGAL standing here?
This is not an exact match (http://slate.msn.com/id/2101561/), but it's an interesting read over on Slate - about the disclaimers commonly at the bottom of emails saying "This message is intended only for the recipient, etc. etc." In short, it's legally quite dubious.

--janak

[madmaxmedia]

I sent Google some feedback on this the other day (NF 3.1 on the Palm side doesn't work with Gmail), and got a reply. They are working on the following features-

- Automatic forwarding of your email to another account
- Plain HTML version of Gmail
- Import/export Contacts

This was from a form response I got back, not a specific answer to my request. So I think these are the next features we are going to see on Gmail.

[Vidge]

Just a side note:

Gmail works fine with my NetFront browser - I use it everyday.

-Edgar

I haven't been able to get it to work on my X30. But I am using the trial of NF.

[Kacey Green]

A lot of these points are probably moot. How much do you want to bet that some enterprising hacker will release some program that will disable the ads from being viewed, etc.

Personally, I would not even be interested in such a program because as somebody mentioned before, it would be in my BEST interest to check out the competition. I have always found Google results to be the most relevant out of all search engines. Prior to Google I really hated searching for anything over the net.

Kudos to Google for coming out with an innovative idea. Already, many other companies had to update their MB limits thanks to Google. I doubt Hotmail will remain at its PATHETIC 2 MB limit if Google comes out with 1 GB. The mass exodus will be enormous if they don't release some sort of free upgrade at the same time.

My 2 cents CDN.

Docta Hizzle

I remember before hotmail was a part of MS, I also remember before it was reduced to the pathetic 2MB

[Kacey Green]

I sent Google some feedback on this the other day (NF 3.1 on the Palm side doesn't work with Gmail), and got a reply. They are working on the following features-

- Automatic forwarding of your email to another account
- Plain HTML version of Gmail
- Import/export Contacts

This was from a form response I got back, not a specific answer to my request. So I think these are the next features we are going to see on Gmail.

I got a similar message, with a personal flair, because I suggested that they leverage their existing products and provide extra M$ compatibility

I can't say more due to it being a private exchange, I'll just say this is going to be the best service ever



On Topic: I wish rex, my PC, and AS would maintain a BT connection for more than 25 seconds after Avantgo sync completes (if it even finishes the AG sync) because I have GMail and using it remote would be cool, when I upgrade to a new iPAQ with BT/WIFI and VGA hopefully this will work. (I'm not in a state of finance that this will be anytime soon, unless the Q3 results are good enough for a decent bonus, {then it will be two paychecks 1 bonus and then a new PPC JOY!})

[Darius Wey]

Just a side note:

Gmail works fine with my NetFront browser - I use it everyday.

-Edgar

Edgar - have you made modifications to your NetFront UserAgent profile? Because on the standard NetFront 3.1 UserAgent profile, I can't get the Gmail login fields to appear.

[esher2292]

For one thing, gmail doesn't even work on mozilla firefox.

[Janak Parekh]

For one thing, gmail doesn't even work on mozilla firefox.
Hmm? It does. Gmail was compatible from day one with Mozilla, and works fine for me. Google themselves use Linux as a development platform in-house.

--janak

[esher2292]

It freezes up for me. I'll try again though, Janak!

[esher2292]

Right again, Janak! It works now!

Also I'm on windows anyway.