ListPro 4.0 Released [Archive] - Thoughts Media Forums

Ed Hansberry

01-21-2004, 07:00 PM

<a href="http://www.iliumsoft.com/site/lp/listpro.htm">http://www.iliumsoft.com/site/lp/listpro.htm</a> One of my favorite apps for the Pocket PC has been improved yet again. ListPro 4 from Ilium Software is out now. I've been using it for a few months and it is a fantastic upgrade. <img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2004/20040121-listpro4.gif" /> ListPro 4: New List Wizard Features and enhancements over ListPro 3.0 include: • Filter Bar - You can now filter on any column. • List Flattening - You can change an outline into a flat list and back again. This is useful for sorting, grouping, filtering and other things. You have to see this in use to understand it. • Drag to Indent - Indent an item by dragging it to the right or left. • Export To List - Choose the items and columns you want to use to create a new list. • Move/Copy to List - Send items to an existing list (faster than cut and paste). • Email Lists - Automatically send a list as an attachment to an email. • Easier Column Management - Columns are easier to create, arrange, hide and show. • List Note - A note field for each list to give you a place for information that applies to the whole list. • New List Wizard - Simplifies setting up a new list quickly. • Clear Column - Quickly clears all entries in a column. • Change Column Type - A Number column can be changed to String, or a String to Category. • All New Template Management - this is a killer change from 3.0. In 4.0, templates go in \My Documents\Templates rather than the \Program Files\ListPro folder. This means when you make changes to your templates on your PC or Pocket PC, those changes are synced to the other device. ListPro 4.0 Professional Edition is $29.95 and that includes both a Pocket PC and Windows PC version. There is a 30 day trial available. If you purchased ListPro 3.0 after October 20, 2003, your upgrade is free, otherwise it is $16.95. You should check the <a href="http://www.iliumsoft.com/site/lp/lp_supt2.htm#upgr">ListPro 4.0 Upgrade page</a> at their site.

Godsongz

01-21-2004, 07:30 PM

sracer

01-21-2004, 07:43 PM

I know there are some big fans of this program on this site, Ed included... but what are you all using the software for? I poked around at the trial version last year sometime and I could tell the program was well-made, but I kinda drew a blank at what uses I would have for something like this. Thoughts?

It is a very handy app. Although it refers to "Lists", it is better to think in terms of databases. I use it primarily for expense tracking... but you could use it for anything you would use a flatfile database. Maintain collection lists, home inventory, you probably could even use it as an electronic checkbook recorder.

I also keep a "list" of places I visit with driving directions for each.

As for this upgrade, IMO, it isn't worthy of a "point" release (3.0 -> 4.0) nor worth the $16.95 upgrade price. So I'll be sticking with my 3.0 for quite some time. But for anyone who doesn't yet own it... this is one of the few "must have" applications for your PPC.

karinatwork

01-21-2004, 08:20 PM

Could you use it for a recipe database? 8O

K.

Godsongz

01-21-2004, 08:23 PM

Could you use it for a recipe database?

Still looking for a good one eh? Me too.

mmidgley

01-21-2004, 08:25 PM

Lists I create or reference:

* Backpacking items/todos
* Lesson Outlines (for instance, for teaching a class on digital imaging)
* Fitness Tracking
* Gift / Thank You tracking
* HAM Radio reference
* Home Maintenance
* Movies (owned/rented/viewed)

and various other things that don't fit well into other programs like Excel, TextMaker, PocketInformant.

Also, I really like having a custom desktop application to view/edit the same data there...

m.

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-21-2004, 08:28 PM

You could use it as any kind of database!!

You can customize the number of fields, field types (number, string, dropdown, etc.), calculations, roll-up hierarchies, etc.

You have the power to organize in order of any field, filter by field values, add checkboxes or flags,...

To call this a list application is greatly simplifying the power of this program.

These latest features make ListPro more and more RDBMS-like in it's database characteristics! Fantastic!!

I purchased this a while back and didn't use it for 3 months and then it started to dawn on me the various ways I could use it... now I can't live without it.

eustts

01-21-2004, 08:31 PM

I just recently purchased Listpro for my engineering work. I build custom Infrared sensors. I have created alist I use for the completion of all the documentation necessary to get a product into production. This list keeps track of drawings, part numbers, etc. I have created flags/check boxes to allow me check off items as they are completed.

Ed Hansberry

01-21-2004, 08:36 PM

Just to give you an idea what I use it for:

I have 4 listpro lists.

My Business List File.clf - business items
My Personal List File.clf - personal items
Info Database.clf - a 400K list of just stuff - very static info. I keep it in a separate file so that when I make changes to my personal items, this 400K of items doens't get ActiveSync'd over. Painful over GPRS.
Private lists.clf - small list of things I keep password protected.

I spend about 50% of my time between the personal and business lists. HEre is a sneak peek at my personal lists. My business list is more complex, with many subfolders.

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2004/20040121-mylistpro.gif

G-squared

01-21-2004, 08:39 PM

Just to let everyone know that there is a PPCThoughts discount that can be used for this purchase. Dropped the upgrade price to a more manageable $9.95. Just wanted to make everyone aware of that.

drop

01-21-2004, 08:44 PM

Wow. This is great, I use ListPro quite often. Love it. I think I would get the upgrade.

If you are wondering what people use ListPro for, check out ListPro List Exchange (http://www.iliumsoft.com/site/lp/lp_lists.htm). You can't see the lists unless you download them to your PPC to view them. But you can look at the categories and get an idea of ListPro's potentials.

I have my travel packing list, PHP and JavaScript references (free download from the above page), all-too-important shopping list, to-read books and many other lists. ListPro basically helps create reusable list. If you find yourself making similar list all the time, ie grocery list, use ListPro. Once you have the basic list set up (I download one of the shopping list to start with, why reinvent the wheel :D), you just need to tag/untag or check/uncheck items.

Recently I use ListPro as study aid because Pocket Flash Cards hard reset my Axim 6 times and the developer started ignoring me. Hey, ListPro works well. Could've save meself $16.99 (Pocket Flash Cards) and 6 restores.

Just got off the phone with Ilium. The $16.95 is the upgrade for both the desktop and PPC version. The $10 is one or the other. I really would recommend that ListPro professional version (both desktop and ppc). If you have a ton of information, stylus entry would be quite awful. And if you plan to outdo Ed 8O, you definitely need the desktop version.

G-squared, thanks for the reminder on the discount.

mclaugh

01-21-2004, 08:50 PM

Just to give you an idea what I use it for:

Info Database.clf - a 400K list of just stuff - very static info. I keep it in a separate file so that when I make changes to my personal items, this 400K of items doens't get ActiveSync'd over.
I have several ListPro lists- food shopping, music, house repair stuff, etc. I'm intrigued by your "whole wide world" info database, though. I'm sure you don't want to divulge your whole existence here, but could you post a few screenshots or give us a skeleton outline as to what's in that one?
I've always wanted to create/maintain one huge database along those lines, but it's always a chore to even figure out where to start- so, it never gets started......
Thanks.

karinatwork

01-21-2004, 08:56 PM

Still looking for a good one eh? Me too.

I think I am onto something. Check out the example lists like "drop" suggested. There is a cooking list already made up, and it looks like I'll finally get my recipe database going!

Iliumsoft, you just got a new customer! :)

K.

allenalb

01-21-2004, 09:05 PM

i archive lots of tv shows. mostly cartoons, food network, history channel and science channel. i use a panasonic set top dvd-r for this.

listpro is INCREDIBLY GOOD at tracking all of these shows, as i am able to import episode guides from places like tvtome and then simply check a show off once i have it, and list what quality i recorded it in, which bookcase it's on, which dvd i recorded it to, which track it is on the disc... you get the picture.

i also use it to keep track of the dvds i've bought in a separate list (with checkboxes for whether or not it's at my house or lent out, a thumbs up/down/sideways as a rating system, a dropdown for it's location whether it's lent out or at my house)

it has a cool sort function so it takes exactly one click to see what's lent out, and one more click to see what's AVAILABLE to lend out.

it also has a feature that lets you see totals for any column you create, so i can easily see that my shiftless ex-roommate still has 10 of my dvds, and that i have way more vampire movies than any other genre.

it's it also the EASIEST APPLICATION EVER to get excel data in and out of. copy the entrys on the list you want, paste into excel, all columns are kept intact. copy from excel, past into a list, same deal (without things like font formatting and color of course).

i would have to say that listpro is probably the application i use most on my pc. (i don't actually use the pocket pc version all that much...mostly just to check if i already own a dvd or not when i'm at Best Buy).

i should mention that i also have HPC Notes installed, and the more i use listpro, the more i realize i wasted money on HPC Notes :)

hmmm, this post ended up being much longer than i expected...

Ed Hansberry

01-21-2004, 09:08 PM

I'm intrigued by your "whole wide world" info database, though. I'm sure you don't want to divulge your whole existence here, but could you post a few screenshots or give us a skeleton outline as to what's in that one?
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2004/20040121-listproinfosm.gif (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2004/20040121-listproinfolg.gif)

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mclaugh

01-21-2004, 09:15 PM

Ed,
Thanks for the picture- it's a good start for me.

Karinatwork,
Which existing list are you going to co opt for recipes? I started keeping my recipes in handbase, but I had been thinking of moving it over to Listpro- I don't need to cross reference my lists, so much of what handbase offers is not needed. Listpro looks nicer on the screen, making it easier to browse through.
If you could post your recipe list, that would also be appreciated.

captgoodhope

01-21-2004, 09:21 PM

Just to let everyone know that there is a PPCThoughts discount that can be used for this purchase. Dropped the upgrade price to a more manageable $9.95. Just wanted to make everyone aware of that.

How to we get the discount?

karinatwork

01-21-2004, 09:22 PM

mclaugh:

I just looked at one, Simply Six Cookbook, and that was enough for me to understand that I could make my own that way. All I wanted anyway was a category, a list of ingredients and the "how to" in the body of notes.

Well, for my own recipe list you'll have to wait. I have a whole pile of recipes that I collected during my 10 years in Tuscany, and of course, my mom's (German) recipes and now all the other North American stuff. And they are all on paper. You can imagine how much it hurts to have a beautiful pocket pc and a pile of paper that you can't covert into it!!! Now I think I can! :D

I'll post it when it's ready.

K.

drop

01-21-2004, 09:37 PM

mclaugh:

You can imagine how much it hurts to have a beautiful pocket pc and a pile of paper that you can't covert into it!!! Now I think I can! :D

karinatwork,

Have you looked at Pocket Cook Deluxe (http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?productType=2&optionId=1_2_2&jid=6E54D1CCA247FFXCFB82A5B91C227E8X&platformId=2&siteId=1&productId=15227§ionId=0&catalog=30&txtSearch=recipes+cook)? It could generate its own shopping list or "Integrates automatically with VOShoppingList".

I have no personal experience with Pocket Cook. But if you have many recipes, you might want to take a look.

karinatwork

01-21-2004, 10:00 PM

Yes, Pocket Cook. I tried it and I didn't like it at all. It was buggy, big and bulky. And - if I might add - expensive for just doing ONE thing.

But thanks for the tip anyway! :)

K.

Jason Dunn

01-21-2004, 10:04 PM

How to we get the discount?

Just look on the discounts (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/discounts.php) page. :-)

sublime

01-21-2004, 10:34 PM

I friggin love this program. I use it for:

My Library
->A-E
->F-J
->K-O
->P-T
->U-Z
->Non-Fiction
->Joyce Bibliography
House and Home
->Home Maintenance (a checklist of things that need to be done)
->Things I Want
Miscellaneous
->Registration Numbers
->Memorized Poems

Fabulous!

brianchris

01-22-2004, 12:00 AM

I don't have a large *volume* of uses for this program (yet), but a couple *valuable* ones. Specifically, the most valuable use is a pre-trip checklist (i.e. feed pets, hold mail, pay bills, set TiVo, pack electronics with subcategories of what electronics to pack such as laptop, PDA, DVD player, and their accessories etc. etc. etc). Since I've been using ListPro, I've never left on a trip and forgotten something, where before I used ListPro for this, I would *always* forget something. As I said, beyond valuable.

Other uses are client specific To-Do lists (I know categories can do the same in Oulook, but this keeps my To do list on my PPC today screen just personal stuff).

-Brian

johncruise

01-22-2004, 12:03 AM

this is one of my most valuable application (aside from ewallet). However, my grudge is that they didn't put the word wrap option on this new version. I called them up before and they said they are working on it (maybe on their imagination). Can anyone confirm if we have that option on the new version? (don't want to purchase an upgrade nor download a trial... too lazy. Besides the fact that I don't want to ruin any of my data... just in case)

Ed Hansberry

01-22-2004, 12:15 AM

this is one of my most valuable application (aside from ewallet). However, my grudge is that they didn't put the word wrap option on this new version.
You mean in printing? No. It doesn't wrap, but it is on their radar.

Iznot Gold

01-22-2004, 12:38 AM

I may actually have a use for this & have been playing with it for the past hour. Whilst I'm well aware that I have not got to grips with all of the features, I was looking for aa way of sharing my list with others. I tried exporting to Excel but it doesn't preserve the hierarchy i.e indenting and was about to dismis until I realised I could print to a Pdf generator and distribute in pdf format!! ANy other ways of sharing list electronically? Also whilst data entered on the PC synch'ed to the PPC, data entered on PPC didn't appear to synch back to the PC...any ideas?
I realise I've probably not got to the bottom of the capabilities of the software but if anyone has any comments on these points - it would be appreciated.
Regards
David

JTEK

01-22-2004, 01:34 AM

i should mention that i also have HPC Notes installed, and the more i use listpro, the more i realize i wasted money on HPC Notes :)

Allenalb:

I, too, have HPC Notes and use it as my primary system of syncing up Outlook notes. I have hundreds of notes that are basically "lists" of static information, troubleshooting tips, client info, et. al. I like HPCNotes because it's searching ability is good and I can control where the data goes on my PPC (just using ActiveSync for my Outlook notes forces me to deposit them all in my /MyDocuments directory in main memory).

I'm wondering what the advantage you find in ListPro might be over HPCNotes which has record-by-record syncing.... I've never, ever lost a single note due to a hard reset and such.

Any further comments for ListPro-curious? :D Thanks a bunch!

sracer

01-22-2004, 02:08 AM

Tombo also has record-by-record syncing and has both desktop and PPC modules which are freeware. I use Tombo in conjunction with ListPro.

The benefit of ListPro is that it can have custom fields. The ability to select from a predefined list of values is very handy. Also the ability to perform math function as well.

Tombo is great for working with basic .txt files in a tree-like structure.

Well, I hope you are all happy! All this talk and excitement about ListPro made me change my mind and upgrade to 4.0.... :lol:

Brad Adrian

01-22-2004, 02:27 AM

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LOL!!

Ed, I've never seen so many "FullDeskisms" all in one place! I'm going to have to use some of them myself.

allenalb

01-22-2004, 03:59 AM

I'm wondering what the advantage you find in ListPro might be over HPCNotes which has record-by-record syncing.... I've never, ever lost a single note due to a hard reset and such.

Any further comments for ListPro-curious? :D Thanks a bunch!

JTEK:

the main reason i prefer ListPro is because i like the spreadsheet look it presents on the windows version. i still occasionally use hpcnotes for long term storage, but lately i have even been migrating that data into eWallet. the only thing about hpcnotes that made me want to buy it was the ability to include links and pix, but eWallet handles that as well.

for all of my collections, i prefer ListPro for the variety of sorting and totaling functions, and because cutting and pasting into and out of it is a breeze :)

JTEK

01-22-2004, 07:11 AM

allenalb

01-22-2004, 09:53 AM

allenalb:

Thanks for the reply and your thoughts. I'm going to give it a try... You make a valid point in that ListPro's format (spreadsheet in this case) is pretty darn good for some types of data that I currently have in scattered notes.

I'm going to check out 4.0.

Thanks again.

no prob... PM me an i'll send you a copy of my dvd list if you have any questions about the way i use it...

just make sure you get the pro version, because entering any info on the pocket pc version is as lame as lame can be (unless you have a keyboard).

k_kirk

01-22-2004, 01:09 PM

mrkablooey

01-22-2004, 01:13 PM

I bought ListPro on 9 April 2003. Its been only 9 months and now ListPro 4.x is out. I do think the upgrade features are not really a 3.x to 4.x jump. I find the $16.95 I need to upgrade excessive. I will not be buying this upgrade nor any other similar upgrades for my numerous other Ilium software titles.

Keep up the good job but please keep pricing realistic Ilium!

As was suggested earlier, subscribe to this site and you get access to a lot of great discounts. Right now there is a $7 off for PPCThoughts subscribers, taking the upgrade to $9.95.

:)

Ed Hansberry

01-22-2004, 02:01 PM

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LOL!!

Ed, I've never seen so many "FullDeskisms" all in one place! I'm going to have to use some of them myself.
Did you notice the count of items in that list? Over 1,400. :lol:

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-22-2004, 04:08 PM

Ed, I've never seen so many "FullDeskisms" all in one place! I'm going to have to use some of them myself.
Did you notice the count of items in that list? Over 1,400. :lol:
Yeah, the screenshot is only showed deckisms starting with A.

Any way you could make that list downloadable somewhere? I'd enjoy reading the rest...

Ilium Software

01-22-2004, 06:28 PM

ANy other ways of sharing list electronically?

Hi David. There are a couple ways you can do it. First, you can export using the Export Items to File function and choose the "Indented" format. The exported file will look like the list does on your screen.

If the other person has ListPro you can always just right click on the list in tree view and choose Send via Email. ListPro does the rest.

Also whilst data entered on the PC synch'ed to the PPC, data entered on PPC didn't appear to synch back to the PC...any ideas??

The most common reason for this is that you have the file open on either the Desktop or the PPC when you go to sync. Close ListPro on the desktop and on the PPC click OK in the upper right corner until you get to all folders. If you are still having trouble drop me an email and I'd be happy to help.

Finally, check out the new User's Guide PDF. You can get it from http://iliumsoft.com/download/doc/ListProUsersGuide.pdf . It has lots of great info.

Marc Tassin
Ilium Software
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+1 (734) 973-9388
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http://www.iliumsoft.com

buckyg

01-22-2004, 09:13 PM

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-22-2004, 10:05 PM

Tried it and within a few minutes, had to buy it. I do have to admit, this thread convinced me as much as trying it eventually did! I had never taken the time to try it. My wife & I both have use for this type of program but wanted more than just a checklist. You all convinced me and also gave me some ideas of how we will use it. What a great program!

On a side note, seeing that there's a discount for this finally tipped me over the edge and got me to break down and subscribe...
:way to go:

You won't be disappointed. Without question, it's my most important app. While PI&AF are great apps as well, I could conceivably get by on the out-of-box equivalents if I had to. There's just no way around ListPro though...

mrkablooey

01-23-2004, 01:37 AM

On a side note, seeing that there's a discount for this finally tipped me over the edge and got me to break down and subscribe...

That's a pretty sweet icon below your name. ;)

Ed Hansberry

01-23-2004, 01:48 AM

Due to popular request:

FullDeckisms!!! (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/FullDeckisms.zip)

The small print:
I take no responsibility for what is in that file. I just imported them. I haven't even begun to read them all.
ListPro 4.0 Required.
Void where prohibited.
Offer not valid in Vermont between the hours of 8:00pm and 8:03pm.

tregnier

01-24-2004, 06:00 PM

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

01-25-2004, 02:28 AM

Okay. Based on all the posts on this topic, I decided to try ListPro. I think it's going to work great for replacing the PI Tasks capability, enabling me to have more levels, more intuitive combinations. I'm not even waiting for the 30 day trial. I'm registering now...after I get my discount code as a PPC Thoughts subscriber. :D
It does work great as a task manager... far more flexible than the out-of-box PPC Outlook support.

Unfortunately, what you lose is the ability to sync your tasks to Outlook.

iant54

01-27-2004, 04:50 PM

ironguy

01-30-2004, 04:21 PM

Due to all the raves here, I had to give ListPro a shot.

I work in the space industry. We are building a satellite that uses 12 on-board processors that can run stored program macros. Keeping track of what is happening can be a fright. I took our last load and created a multi indent file (over 1600 lines) 8O . Top line is command numbers, then a brief description of the event follwed by the nitty gritty details.

Yesterday in a meeting someone asked a configuration question - no one could answer off the top of their head. I whipped out the old iPaq, said "Start ListPro" (MS Voice!), and answered the question.

Boy! Did people's heads turn at this demonstration!

Way to go Ilium! :mrgreen:

Jacob

01-30-2004, 04:37 PM

Has anyone received their notification of free upgrade yet? I guess that they must be sending the e-mails in chronological order starting with the oldest, since I'm a recent purchaser (15th December '03)!

I don't know how they organize it, I got the free upgrade to eWallet 3.1 and I didn't get it till about 5 days before the date "I should get it by".

If you're concerned, I'd just email their support. Maybe they can move you up on the list ;)

Ilium Software

02-02-2004, 06:34 PM

Hi,

We have a LOT of people to notify and if we notify everyone at once spam alarms go off all over the place (even though we're sending free upgrade links! :) ) So it takes a little while!

If you want it right now though we have an upgrade request form at:

http://iliumsoft.com/site/custserv/upreq.htm

We reply to these in less than one business day (usually within hours) so it is a good way to ask if you don't want to wait!

Also, glad it is working out so well Ironguy! Not sure where you work but we are quite popular with NASA employees! Some of them have tried to get NASA to make it standard issue software but no luck yet! ;)

Sincerely,

Marc Tassin
Ilium Software
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[email protected]
+1 (734) 973-9388
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http://www.iliumsoft.com

ctmagnus

02-02-2004, 10:24 PM

Not sure where you work but we are quite popular with NASA employees! Some of them have tried to get NASA to make it standard issue software but no luck yet! ;)

I bought the upgrade the first day it was out and am extremely pleased with it.

"If it's good enough for NASA, it's good enough for me." ;)

mrkablooey

02-03-2004, 03:39 AM

I bought the upgrade the first day it was out and am extremely pleased with it.

I bought the entire version the day it was released (vs the upgrade) and have been surprised at how much I've gotten to use it. I wasn't sure but because of the discount here and the amount of people saying it was a must have, I paid the money. I do not regret it, along with PI and Mapopolis, it's the most used program on my iPaq.

JTEK

02-03-2004, 09:56 PM

I'm curious to know how many ListPro users out there utilize it to keep track of passwords, bank accounts, et. al. and whether or not it's secure enough for such a thing (note that I'm using ListPro 4.0 and it allows you to password any given list).

The reason I ask is because I do so like the customizable interface of ListPro. No other product (EWallet included) lets me look at a list and view it by multiple columns. In EWallet/FlexWallet/Passwords Plus, I can only see the 'name' of a particular "account", but I must click on the individual entry in order to see the password. Lots of useless clicking for something that should be quick and easy.

In ListPro, I can set up a list of website passwords/logins, for instance, and -- at a glance -- see columns representing the URL, SiteName, login and password. Sooooo much easier to work with.

Anyway.... anyone else using ListPro for such "sensitive" information? I'd be glad to hear any input.

Jacob

02-03-2004, 10:14 PM

I use eWallet and ListPro and the way I decide which info goes where is that I ask my self "If I lose my PocketPC, do I care if someone sees this information?"

If the answer is yes, then it goes into eWallet. This would mean bank account, credit card etc..

I use ListPro for information that I really don't want to deal with having to enter a password to get at.

I also don't like having many lists - I pretty much use just one.

JTEK

02-03-2004, 10:25 PM

I use eWallet and ListPro and the way I decide which info goes where is that I ask my self "If I lose my PocketPC, do I care if someone sees this information?"

If the answer is yes, then it goes into eWallet. This would mean bank account, credit card etc...

Jacob:

Thanks for the reply.

I agree on your use of lists, but I'm wondering about all this since I'm thinking of making a change. I'm beginning to think I'd like to have any "list-able" information in one, single program.

That's why I'm wondering if ListPro is secure enough to handle it. I really don't know anything about encryption, Blowfish, etc.; if I found a PocketPC and wanted to break into a passworded ListPro file, I wouldn't know how to do it. I'm just wondering if all that Blowfish or other heavy encryption stuff is simply overkill for what I need.

Again, any thoughts are welcomed.

Jacob

02-03-2004, 10:32 PM

I would ask Ilium support. I have always found them to be quite straightforward and from my experience with them I don't think they're going to tell you that ListPro is insecure just to get you to buy eWallet for example.

I don't know what encryption, if any, ListPro uses. From their site, they specifically mention encryption for eWallet, but they don't say anything for ListPro.

I'm sure others here will be willing to help too.

Ilium Software

02-04-2004, 02:40 PM

Hi Again!

ListPro does not have any encryption. Applying a password does scramble data so that it isn't readable without a lot of effort, but it is not considered "secure" (ie encrypted) like eWallet.

Here are my suggestions.

1. Don't keep highly sensitive info in ListPro. Although with a password and scrambled data most people won't get to it, I like to be on the safe side.

2. If you really want to use ListPro for sensitive data look into a third party encryption program that can encrypt an entire file (like your listpro file). Of course this won't exactly cut down on the clicks!

In the meantime I passed both comments ("add enecryption to listpro" and "list view eWallet") to our developers.

Thanks!

Marc Tassin
Ilium Software
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[email protected]
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Narny

02-04-2004, 02:44 PM

From the PDF Users Guide:

Security Passwords

You can set a password on a ListPro file. Opening any list in the file will require supplying the password.

To set (or change) a password, use Tools, Set Password on the Pocket PC (in the list screen) or File, Set Password on the Windows PC. You'll be asked to enter the new password twice, in exactly the same way, to be sure you don't mistype it.

Note that this password protection is only useful against casual intrusion; it does not encrypt the data stored in your lists.

Mind you, if you look at the .clf files in a hex editor, the data is not exactly plaintext so you would have a small degree of privacy.

I do the same a Jacob and keep sensitive stuff in eWallet and other notes in ListPro.[/quote]

JTEK

02-04-2004, 05:26 PM

ListPro does not have any encryption. Applying a password does scramble data so that it isn't readable without a lot of effort, but it is not considered "secure" (ie encrypted) like eWallet.

Marc:

Thanks for the direct information... I appreciate it!

Here are my suggestions.

1. Don't keep highly sensitive info in ListPro. Although with a password and scrambled data most people won't get to it, I like to be on the safe side.

2. If you really want to use ListPro for sensitive data look into a third party encryption program that can encrypt an entire file (like your listpro file). Of course this won't exactly cut down on the clicks!

Great advice... I'm not too paranoid, but -- truth be told -- I just lost my Palm a little over a month ago (my first "lost" PDA in 8 years... tragic, I know) and was not very concerned by the loss since all my critical data such as credit card #s, passwords, etc. were locked in an encrypted wallet program (SplashID, a "list-like" sensitive data keeper). No worries there, so I just moved on to a new PDA (plus all the data was synced back at home).

I'd kind of like to keep the same warm, fuzzy feeling I had with securely encrypted data on my Palm, so I think I'll continue using a wallet program on my PPC that has encryption built in.

In the meantime I passed both comments ("add enecryption to listpro" and "list view eWallet") to our developers.

Whoa... that would be great. I'm not certain if others would appreciate the feature of a "list view" in eWallet, but I think they would. It's sooo much easier to browse a long series of logins/passwords that are arranged for viewing all at one time.

Thanks again for all the clear info on ListPro as well as your recommendations on keeping sensitive data on a PDA. Greatly appreciated!

iant54

02-11-2004, 10:44 AM

Just in case anyone's still waiting for their upgrade info - I received mine today!

Lex

02-20-2004, 10:41 PM

OK, I'm in. Bought ListPro after a half-hour trial.

Why:
Gave up on Streamliner as an outliner app when I took two hours of notes in a meeting the other day and lost them simply by switching to another app.

Re: Security Issues
I wouldn't know a Blowfish algorithm if it appeared in my fishbowl but I made a password protected Excel sheet for account numbers, usernames and passwords. I love 'free'.

Security Idea:
You can encrypt -any- file with Resco File Explorer if you already own that one.

Question:
Apart from outlining, how does ListPro excel over Pocket Excel ? I'm not informed of Pocket Excel's limitations but the desktop version can work as a databaser.

JTEK

02-20-2004, 11:39 PM

Re: Security Issues
I wouldn't know a Blowfish algorithm if it appeared in my fishbowl but I made a password protected Excel sheet for account numbers, usernames and passwords. I love 'free'.

Security Idea:
You can encrypt -any- file with Resco File Explorer if you already own that one.

I have the same problem with Blowfish algorithms... :D
I went ahead and got ListPro as well and haven't looked back. I've simply password-protected the list file I use for all my passwords, logins, private client info, etc. It's just as "protected" as an Excel spreadsheet that's been passworded.

Question:
Apart from outlining, how does ListPro excel over Pocket Excel ? I'm not informed of Pocket Excel's limitations but the desktop version can work as a databaser.

Well.... ListPro is basically a flat-file database. I think Excel is a marvelous number-cruncher, and its use as a basic "listing" system is o.k. ListPro, in theory, isn't much more than an Excel spreadsheet with a good template system and interface tacked on. And that's why it shines. Once you know what you want to keep track of, you can simply build a list and start adding to it quickly. PLUS, it's ability to simply import any CSV file (and export to one) makes it infinitely usable without the worries of getting stuck with it till the end of time (i.e., I can always export all my lists onto another more complex platform if I need to).

I've even exported all my OUtlook notes to ListPro and use it for looking up all the esoteric data I've collected over the years. Very cool app.