Possible Picture Of The iPAQ 6000 [Archive]

Ed Hansberry

01-21-2004, 02:00 PM

<a href="http://www.smartfone.net/?m=show&id=262">http://www.smartfone.net/?m=show&id=262</a> Smartfone.net has a picture of the iPAQ 6000 <a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?action=expand,23374">that we discussed earlier this week</a>. This image is not confirmed and some think it is a fake, but it is interesting anyway and thought you should see it. <img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2004/20040121-ipaq6000.jpg" /> Specs include: • Windows Mobile 2003 Pocket PC Phone Edition • The screen is 3.5-inch color Transflective TFT • Multiple wireless options: GSM network 850/900/1800/1900, GPRS, WiFi, Bluetooth® wireless technology • SDIO SD Slot • TI Omap processor 8O • 640x480 VGA Camera (Business Version comes without built-in digital camera) • Add-on thumb keyboard • 64MB RAM /64MB ROM • 1800 mAH battery (removable) • RIM Push Email Software • Available on T-mobile in June • Approximately $600 US UPDATE: This image is a mock up according to reliable sources at HP.

carphead

01-21-2004, 02:16 PM

Ugly! 8O

It must be a fake. Hp would never release something that looks that bad.

Now if this was the size of a 22xx without the keyboard then I'd jump on fast than you could say GSM! :)

Duncan

01-21-2004, 02:23 PM

Ugly! 8O

It must be a fake. Hp would never release something that looks that bad.

It might well be a fake (it's the 'shadows' of buttons on each side that make me wonder) but in terms of looks I'm reminded of comments about the 221x when pictures first appeared - many said it looked ugly and then changed their minds on seeing it in person...

TheZodiac

01-21-2004, 02:27 PM

OF course its a fake - but possibly a mock up from something seen and restricked to NDA. Take a look at the keybored extruded grooves... they dont even match - it looks too 3-dimensional. There are too many rough edges, and the keyboard part looks to be raised from the unit itself.

Horrible PS skills. Looks like a fat ugly Treo600. (which is nicer)

PR.

01-21-2004, 02:28 PM

Argh, I want bigger screen not smaller! :-/

Jimmy Dodd

01-21-2004, 02:35 PM

Ugh! 8O What an ugly picture to see first thing in the morning. I haven't even had my coffee yet. :morning:

Mike Temporale

01-21-2004, 02:37 PM

.. and the keyboard part looks to be raised from the unit itself.

• Add-on thumb keyboard

:wink:

My understanding was that device was based on the 22xx series footprint. So it might not be as bad as everyone thinks.

corphack

01-21-2004, 02:41 PM

jgrnt1

01-21-2004, 02:44 PM

If this is a mock-up and not just a fake, without the keyboard, the footprint could be very similar to the 2200.

Duncan

01-21-2004, 02:46 PM

64MB/64MB assumes Microsoft will not increase the requirements of the next 2 OS revisions, which is an obviously fantasy and not supported by M$'s past performance.

While I agree that 64MB RAM is too little I will say with absolute confidence that WM2004 will fit in less than 32MB ROM and will work just fine in devices with 64MB RAM. As for the next OS after that - no current or upcoming device is going to be guaranteed upgradeable to that...!

adamz

01-21-2004, 02:50 PM

Looks like a non-functional prototype with a poor photoshop masking job and screen comp as you can see the power button is drilled out. If someone was good enough to fake the body, they certainly wouldn't do such a poor job on the masking.
Still... I'm not too fond of the keyboard and protruding antenna.

griph

01-21-2004, 02:52 PM

My understanding was that device was based on the 22xx series footprint. So it might not be as bad as everyone thinks.
The tech specs note "• Add-on thumb keyboard" so presumably it isnt a permanent one. The issue as far as I am concerned is the aerial - this now looks like old tech - compared with the XDAII - and in my mind reinforces the image as being a hoax.

JohnJohn

01-21-2004, 03:10 PM

Fake, it's gotta be. Why would HP build anything that was on the 22xx platform...that has an "add on keyboard", and that keyboard not be the one already released for the 22xx? I say FAKE.

xboxlord

01-21-2004, 03:58 PM

Here is a post I made over at iPAQhq about the mockup:

I think it is obvious that it is a fake. If you look where the keys start, that line is not even solid, I could have drawn a better line in Paint! Also, the base of the iPAQ mockup is obviously made from a 4100 series because you can see where the bottom starts to curve slightly and then someone pasted on the keyboard. The antenna looks exactly like the one from the 54/5500 series, but a little more elongated. Lastly, all the buttons on the sides of the phone look like they were just blocked in with a paint program and then a few pixels were removed to make them look like indiviudal buttons. I think this is a very poor fake. The way they tried to make up for it is by making the top a little different with the IR port and lights, but even that failed because thosde are clearly the status LEDs from the 2210 series.

Bad mockup. Very bad mockup.

manywhere

01-21-2004, 03:58 PM

As I also published over at PDAgold.com (http://www.pdagold.com/forums/view_topic.asp?t=4111)

This is how I believe that the images were made (sorry for their big size and the lousy text quality... :oops:)
Image 1 (http://www.filips.net/images/Dia1.JPG)
Image 2 (http://www.filips.net/images/Dia2.JPG)

The green and red phone buttons might be from an Ericsson but that is really a wild guess...
Furthermore, the rough edge of the device might be from a HP Jornada as there seems to be some sort of hinges there.

What do you think?

Birdman

01-21-2004, 04:06 PM

Even if it is a fake, a PPCPE device with built in keyboard and RIM style push email...I would buy it in a heartbeat!

jeasher

01-21-2004, 04:11 PM

Sure it's a fake, but sooner or later this type of device will be released. This is the kind of product that will get me to switch to an all-in-one device. Especially if it's being offered by T-Mobile. Now if they can keep the size down to a respectable footprint, they got a customer.

David Johnston

01-21-2004, 04:32 PM

There are too many artefacts in the image to convince me it's real... particularly the top of the bevel for the keyboard portion - it seems to have some irregularities to it - iPaq's tend to have smooth curves! Also, the black portion at the very top of the device appears to have some funky two-tone grey painting just below it. The keyboard doesn't seem quite right either.

Those are the two things that get me the most, anyway... now I've said that, we'll probably find out it's authentic :)

dmy

01-21-2004, 05:12 PM

The photographer in me tells me this is at best a mockup one in photoshop.... the lighting and shadows don't match between the case, screen, and buttons. Even if you take multiple light sources with diffusers, soft box, or reflectors, you won't get the highlights and shadows to look like this.

Now.... it could be a prototypical "artists' rendering" but I'd have to believe that a decent graphic artist would pay better attention to the way the light falls.

D.

RobertCF

01-21-2004, 05:44 PM

That is the ugliest thing I've seen since the creation of those stupid thumb boards. HP, you are completely clueless.

dmacburry2003

01-21-2004, 05:46 PM

Even if it was real I'd dislike it. The raised keyboard is probably very uncomfortable. Also, the antenna is WAY too big. All the buttons on the side would probably get pushed in a pocket. The buttons on the keyboard don't stick out. How am I supposed to push them? With a pen tip? The way that the device bends back on the edges like that in the FAKE image make it look FAT and THICK. It probably weighs as much as a Tablet PC.

And why the HECK is there two iPaq logos ?!?!? And that weirdo HP logo looks strange on an iPaq. So lets make that like... four logos.

DaleReeck

01-21-2004, 05:52 PM

Its probably fake since the real 6000 is to be based on a reference design picture posted elsewhere. That pic and this one are completely different. While that's not a guarantee that its fake, its probably a good bet.

The Half-Ling

01-21-2004, 06:03 PM

nice d-pad...NOT!

:( Jake

Jason Dunn

01-21-2004, 06:17 PM

This is quite an entertaining thread to read. :lol:

nosaturn

01-21-2004, 06:29 PM

This is quite an entertaining thread to read. :lol:

Yes it is.

What I don't understand are the comments about RIM. Microsoft is not licensing any technology because Always Up To Date (AUTD) is completely different. It requires Exchange 2003 and WM2003 for PPC Phone Edition or Smartphone, and uses SMS. It is very elegant and as a total solution, less expensive to operate than using RIM technology.

You can get similer effects with the current PPC Phones and Smartphones (here in the US) by setting up a frequent over the air sync to an Exchange server. Sure, it's not real time, but it can be frequent enough to use.

-Brian

Gremmie

01-21-2004, 07:19 PM

It makes me laugh of how many people will say an image is 'fake'. Other than the iWalk, which was an amazing production, how many credible Pocket PC fake's have floated around? I'll say this thing is ugly, possibly a rough model that has been revised, but is unlikely a photoshop mock-up.

pdaisdead

01-21-2004, 07:23 PM

Oh look, another "phone" no one will carry. I don't get it, the manufacturers can't be making any real profit on these things. Is it just a chance for them to test run new technologies and applications (like a prototype until they come out with the real unit in a decent sized form factor)?

Yes, I know this is not a confirmed photo, but does anybody actually think it will look anything like an actual cell phone? PPCPE is a disaster and should be scrapped.

David C

01-21-2004, 08:23 PM

If this is a real device, there is somthing about the "removable keyboard" that does not make sense. To be used as a phone, the mic has to be at the bottom. If there is to be a keyboard attach to the bottom of the phone, the keyboard would have to have an opening for the mic, or have a second mic added to the extended bottom. I don't see either. Of course, I can see that this is not a real photograph, but a 3D rendition of the concept. The mic may not have been drawn in this picture.

I'm fine with the design. Just wish it had a graphic processor, and 640x480 resolution.

dangerwit

01-21-2004, 08:23 PM

Sorry guys, it's a fake. The keyboard is entirely incorrect: the cyan is too high and the letters are falling off the keys, and there is yet a second "ipaq" logo on it to match the one on the main housing.

Mockup or not, the credibility of the entire photographic claim is zero.

Jason Lee

01-21-2004, 09:13 PM

The longer i look at it i see they probably used the samsung i700 to start with. the speaker it she same and the buttons you can just see on the sides are exactly where they should be on an i700.

I don't care what it looks like.. _IF_ it does what the specs say i want one.

:)

Unless it looks like the hitachi PPCPE..
:mrgreen:

bucho

01-21-2004, 09:20 PM

What I don't understand are the comments about RIM. Microsoft is not licensing any technology because Always Up To Date (AUTD) is completely different.
.. but that doesn't mean that HP can't license it and put it in.

I don't really care what this device will look like... Unless it's really, really ugly, but looking at the HP/Compaq history so far - I doubt it. I'll probably switch when it comes out just by looking at the specs.

surur

01-21-2004, 09:30 PM

This is quite an entertaining thread to read. :lol: .... because I know this is real, but am under a NDA and cant tell you?

Surur

BTW.. how can anyone still make a 64MB PPC?

Stake

01-21-2004, 09:31 PM

But I think this is a 3D rendered image instead of cutting and pasting in Photoshop. The little "sun flare" next to the HP logo/antenna is a giveaway. Nothing in real life in the given lighting condition will create that. Also, the highlight on top of the thumboard is too blown out to be a realistic. Whoever created it took a lot of time to create it.

kagayaki1

01-21-2004, 09:48 PM

I wanted to take a moment to address the "only 64MB of built in memory?" question that's come up a few times in this thread.

In the last 12 months or so, the price of flash memory (and especially 128MB and 256MB SD) has come way down. Something on the order of less than 50% of previous prices. As this oversupply of flash memory continues, and the storage capacities continue to increase, I stop to ask what motivation a PPC maker has to include more built in memory, which is relatively more expensive to produce?

OEMs have had this fortune state of the flash memory market fall into their laps, and instead of pushing how much extra memory is built in, we instead see every device with a built in expansion slot. Moreover, today we're seeing more and more developers (especially PPC software compannies) provide options for installing large programs on external memory cards. More than just the option, they're being specifically designed to do just that.

As long as this condition persists, and the internal memory is enough to both hold the OS and effectively run the built in programs, I don't see increased memory in the near future (less than 12 months or so).

What do you think?

Duncan

01-21-2004, 09:56 PM

What do you think?

I think that those of us who have been using devices with 128MB RAM have seen enough of an improvement in everyday use to never wantto go back to only 64MB...! :)

palur

01-21-2004, 10:05 PM

Does this have VGA screen resolution? or just the camera resolution

ctmagnus

01-21-2004, 10:31 PM

Sticking anything that big with an antenna like that in one's hip pocket is sure to cause pain...

Joff

01-21-2004, 11:17 PM

Where's the D-pad? 8O
Let's hope this is just a fake!

corphack

01-21-2004, 11:59 PM

re: in support of internal ram in excess of 64MB

M$ in their advisories for Smartphone 2K3 developers recommends that applications be coded to write only to the internal My Documents directory for maximum compatibility with both smartphone and ppc. This assists developers to maintain one codebase for both platforms. If M$ is suggesting applications write solely to the internal RAM, then 64MB is way too small, especially on a windows-derived platform.

adamz

01-22-2004, 12:01 AM

What do you think?

Maybe they're trying to make sure the 32 process limit in Windows CE doesn't have too much of an effect.

xboxlord

01-22-2004, 12:45 AM

What do you think?

I think that those of us who have been using devices with 128MB RAM have seen enough of an improvement in everyday use to never wantto go back to only 64MB...! :)

I have to agree. About a year and a half ago, I had the hp Jornada 565 with 32MB RAM in it. I thought that was plenty. Well one day I dropped it and broke it. I took apart the unit and sold the parts on eBay to try and make a few bucks back. Turns out I ended up getting the actual value of the unit back (people are stupid sometimes). I then used that money toward a Jornada 568. The only difference between the two models is that the 568 has 64MB RAM. When I got the 568, for about a week I was doubting myself because I didn't think I needed that much RAM. Boy was I wrong. I installed Age Of Empires on my 568 and realized that it took up over 25MB of space! I then appreciated what more RAM means.

Now I have an iPAQ 5455 with 64MB memory. I'm thinking about getting the memory upgraded to 128MB with the www.pocketpctechs.com method. I just don't know if I should spend $120 on it when I can get a 512 card for just a little more. Either way, I'm sure if I were to upgrade to a larger RAM size or get a new iPAQ with more RAM, there would be no way I would go back to anything less.

Now to make a PPC with 256MB internal. Hmmm...

JustinGTP

01-22-2004, 01:27 AM

Well the image 'twas a good try!

I think its a fake - especially how Flipp Norgard (manywhere) explains it. Comes to life now, its a fake. And that Render Flare lol :lol:

-Justin.

sbrown23

01-22-2004, 01:45 AM

What I want to know is where is the signal strength for the GSM connection? :roll:

Terrible fake job the more I look at it.

rmasinag

01-22-2004, 02:03 AM

I really hope it's a fake because the XDA II is still $850 and I think is []still unavailable in the U.S. :cry:

Bladefree21

01-22-2004, 02:31 AM

Who in this thread would not like this PDA, if it had everything listed in the suggested specs and :

It were the size of a 2210 iPAQ (1 CF & SD),
128MB RAM,
3.8 or 4 inch screen with/or 640x480 resolution,
form factor of a 3XXX-5XXX series iPAQ,
a matching metallic attachable keyboard that simply extended the length (similar to the 43XX)?
Finally, having sleeves with all the options of the 3XXX-5XXX series...

Selling for $600-900

This seems roughly, somewhere in the area of doable to me. :lol: 8O

What would you not like other than the price?

Your favorite PDA form factor of all time?

:mrgreen:

xboxlord

01-22-2004, 02:57 AM

My favourite PDA is the 5455. I absolutely love the way it feels and its weight is perfect. It is a rugged machine that is great at what it does.

I would love if they released an iPAQ with that footprint, maybe made out of metal instead of plastic, and with an amazing battery well over of 2000mAh.

What I think the doable specs are for the 6000 series:

256MB RAM
1CF 1 SDIO expansion
3.8 inch @ 640x480
great keyboard that is attachable or folds out like the Zaurus (if it doesn't add much weight or size to deviate from the form factor)
Bluetooth
802.11G WiFi

$800-$900

I think that it is reasonable to expect a PDA manufacturer to be able to make one with 256MB of RAM considering the cost of SD cards continues to go down, it can't cost that much to make it internal. If this PDA comes out even Christmas 2004, I think it will be well worth the money.

Either way, it will be an interesting year to see what HP does.

iPAQ_ace

01-22-2004, 03:20 AM

64MB/64MB assumes Microsoft will not increase the requirements of the next 2 OS revisions, which is an obviously fantasy and not supported by M$'s past performance. So it needs more memory. Also the cost for licensing and integrating the RIM radio technology, etc makes the stated price too low. $850 would be more realistic (it probably just won't move at that price.)

Actually, 64MB RAM / 64MB ROM is the maximum capacity of the WANDA reference design from TI. It could be worse, it could have a ROM of only 32MB RAM. The dimensions of WANDA are about the same as the H2200 series. I could go on about some of the similarities between this model (so far) and the TI WANDA reference design. The coincidences of these similarities is beginning to look less and less like coincidences but that's my take on it. BUT that's if the H6300 series is based on the WANDA as has been rumoured... :roll:

Cost wise, just look at the MPx200, look at all the rebates that are being offered on this Smartphone. I think HP will be aggressive with its pricing at $599 msrp and carrier's are also likely to offer rebates. We've seen rebates bringing down the cost of the MPx200 to almost nothing. Ok, the same won't happen with this iPAQ, but activation rebates in the $150 range wouldn't surprise me either.

Argh, I want bigger screen not smaller! :-/

Ditto! Alas, it doesn't look like it'll be in this model. Odd, no HP gossip about a VGA display model so far... at least none that I have heard of. So i'm not sure when we can expect a VGA model - hopefully soon!!

As I also published over at PDAgold.com (http://www.pdagold.com/forums/view_topic.asp?t=4111)

What do you think?

Man, you sure did put a lot of thought into that! :D I think that it's a very creative possibility that they could be fake. Do i personally think its fake? Seriously doubt it.... um... no, its real. Is this photo of the h6300 computer drawing, or its mock-up, or a pre-production concept of it? Probably.

Sticking anything that big with an antenna like that in one's hip pocket is sure to cause pain...

:rotfl: Oh man, I've had too many moments like that with a few cell phones!

DustyLBottoms

01-22-2004, 03:45 AM

Stake

01-22-2004, 05:00 AM

JustinGTP

01-22-2004, 05:12 AM

Stake,

How about you download a demo of Photoshop and then you can see for yourself that you can create any image, even "3Dish" as you call it, and you can engineer for it to look real.

Thats the point of the program - you can do amazing things. Anyone, but this was created by a veteran who knows what they are doing. But, the common eye can point out mistakes as shown here.

It was most likely done in Photshop - because it is the best program out there for this type of work.

-Justin.

Kevin Daly

01-22-2004, 07:09 AM

Ugly! 8O

It must be a fake. Hp would never release something that looks that bad.

Now if this was the size of a 22xx without the keyboard then I'd jump on fast than you could say GSM! :)

It is pretty hideous. But then so's the 4350 (it's amazing what an asesthetic difference a keypad that looks like a fake beard can make).

Ed Hansberry

01-22-2004, 02:08 PM

Andy Sjostrom

01-22-2004, 02:25 PM

manywhere

01-22-2004, 05:46 PM

UPDATE: This image is a mock up according to reliable sources at HP.
So, a mock up isn't a faked photoshopped picture. :-D I figured a final product would be more polished, but this is at least something that they are really playing with at HP.

(the update to the original post wasn't done by me - I am speculating like the rest of you)

Done by me! 8) "Mock up" could very well mean "photoshopped" in my book...
So, Photoshopped it is... at least in my book. (May I add that it is badly photoshopped too?)
Whoever made that image had him-/herself a good laugh, I suppose, and... well, I did too... :roll:

It is good to hear confimation of what I already believed the first minute I saw the image. :wink:

nategesner

01-23-2004, 03:11 PM

I just don't see why anyone would upgrade to something like this. Where's the memory? With memory prices falling, why can't they include 128MB or more built in? More importantly, where's the 640x480 screen? This sounds too much like a 2215 with a minor change here and there, but certainly nothing worth the extra money.

I'm sick of watching Palm get better screen definition while PPC still sits where it was years ago.

DanielTS

01-23-2004, 05:15 PM

I'm sick of watching Palm get better screen definition while PPC still sits where it was years ago.

http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=6ea8fab35e03cce97af26db58df8b09e&threadid=97946

aristoBrat

01-23-2004, 08:07 PM

This sounds too much like a 2215 with a minor change here and there, but certainly nothing worth the extra money.
Huh?

Adding a GSM/GPRS phone and 802.11b networking = "minor change here and there"?

Talon

01-24-2004, 12:05 AM

What do you think?

I think that those of us who have been using devices with 128MB RAM have seen enough of an improvement in everyday use to never wantto go back to only 64MB...! :)

What improvment? Yes you can install more programs or run more at once but this isn't a desktop PC, adding more RAM will have no effect performance other than letting you run more things and once and halving your standby time.
If all you want the extra memory for is storing programs then flash is the way to go, it doesn't increase power consumption.

Talon

01-24-2004, 12:13 AM

Actually, 64MB RAM / 64MB ROM is the maximum capacity of the WANDA reference design from TI. It could be worse, it could have a ROM of only 32MB RAM.

WANDA used the 5910 from TI, that was the maximum SDRAM that the 5910 could handle. That part has been out for a while, there are newer OMAPs around.
Reading the data on the TI website newer OMAPs support 128M of DDR SDRAM. Plus some of them have a built in 256k frame buffer which is going to save a huge amount of memory bandwidth.