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Brad Adrian
09-17-2003, 11:00 AM
<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://startsimple.com/mobilecloak/' target='_blank'>http://startsimple.com/mobilecloak/</a><br /><br /></div>Are you concerned about whether your always-on wireless devices are communicating with other wireless systems without your knowledge? Do you want greater control over when your wireless devices transmit or receive signals? If so, then the Mobile Cloak (mCloak) is for you.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/adrian/mobilecloak.gif" /><br /><br />"mCloak is a simple method of making your wireless stuff invisible to any other wireless stuff or signal that would want to communicate with it. New "always on" devices have limited or no control. With mCloak you have control over when and where your wireless products can transmit or receive signals."<br />I'm not sure I buy into all the worry about privacy and location sensing that drives the use of products like this. But I guess if these things concern you, then maybe you'll want to keep your pager or mobile phone in one of these when you want a bit more anonymity.

mr_Ray
09-17-2003, 11:35 AM
Ummm this seems a little silly to me.

1) Seriously, how many devices can't be turned off if even if you can't turn off wireless acees by itself? If it's in a pocket and banned from external contact, it'd might as well be off.

2) Makes mobiles a bit pointless. At best you'd have to carry two cases - one for when you want to be available, one for when you don't.

Sorry, but I can't see anyone buying this apart from the tinfoil hat brigade. 0X

rhmorrison
09-17-2003, 12:09 PM
And the SUBJECT is definately wrong!

It should read like a lead box for your devices, or treat your device like kryponite...

Seams like a pretty useless product to me, better to sell it as a PDA/Phone/Film protector from airport X-ray machines (if it's made out of the right stuff), otherwise...

:boohoo:

surur
09-17-2003, 01:43 PM
This is actually quite a good idea.

Police to track mobile phone users (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,348607,00.html) AND you can do it too (http://www.affinityone.co.uk/phonetrack.htm). This product is available to consumers already, and the advertising goes: Track your kids or spouse without them knowing!

Most mobile phones have not got a hard on and off switch, and the police have made statements in kidnap cases that they can trace mobile phones that have been switched of. May not be true now, but there is no reason a phone could not call the base station every few hours without lighting up the screen. And its not really convenient to remove the batteries from most devices. Even pocketpc's with e.g. bluetooth are not really off when suspended, and obviously the processor is still active (else you would not get any alarms etc).

These days we get less and less control of our devices, so something like this is very appropriate, especially with closed source products like most pda's and all phones.

Anyways, I would not dismiss this product completely (unlike the pants that supposed to protect your family jewels from phone radiation :lol: )

Surur

rhmorrison
09-17-2003, 02:06 PM
Anyways, I would not dismiss this product completely (unlike the pants that supposed to protect your family jewels from phone radiation :lol: )
:multi: Now what am I supposed to do with my seven pairs of these suckers! :shocked!:

Rok
09-17-2003, 02:25 PM
Most mobile phones have not got a hard on and off switch, and the police have made statements in kidnap cases that they can trace mobile phones that have been switched of. May not be true now, but there is no reason a phone could not call the base station every few hours without lighting up the screen. And its not really convenient to remove the batteries from most devices. Even pocketpc's with e.g. bluetooth are not really off when suspended, and obviously the processor is still active (else you would not get any alarms etc).


This is a bunch of crap. All mobile phones I know off (Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, Siemens, Samsung, etc.) have a hard key that switches them off. And there's no bloody way anyone can trace a brick that doesn't communicate with anything.

This is a neat conspiracy theory, but it simply doesn't hold water. As for PocketPC's - when you switch WiFi or BT off, it is off - there's no middle ground (even if the device is still powered on).

Will anyone buy this kind of product? Sure. Paranoid people that do not know enough about the technology they use is a good example. Stupid people is another. I'm sure there's more. But no-one in their right might that knows at least a little about physics and technology in general is going to fall for that. It's a bit like PocketPC antivirus software - neat, but useless.

Just my $.02

Cheers,
Rok

Albegor
09-17-2003, 02:35 PM
Talk about stealth technology brought to the consumer market! :robot:

I wonder how one could actually test the effectiveness of such carrying case... included their use as protective pants! :rotfl:

bradolson
09-17-2003, 03:00 PM
If someone doesn't have the time to turn off a device they don't want on, then I doubt they will take the time to get out there stealth case and put it in there every time either, IMHO. lol

Brad

cybrwulf
09-17-2003, 03:20 PM
I am sure the thousands, if not millions of people that bought "THE INTERNAL ANTENNA" and PENIS EXTENSION PILLS, will snap these up in a jiffy.... where can I buy stock in this company? 8)

rhmorrison
09-17-2003, 04:17 PM
I am sure the thousands, if not millions of people that bought "THE INTERNAL ANTENNA" and PENIS EXTENSION PILLS, will snap these up in a jiffy.... where can I buy stock in this company? 8)
I get about three SPAM messages a day trying to sell me these #$%@ PENIS EXTENSION PILLS. Maybe they know something that I dont'...
:mrgreen:

Jonathan1
09-17-2003, 04:35 PM
Great! Do they have theatre versions of this available? :lol:

The ultra, super, mega, super sized version.

DavidHorn
09-17-2003, 05:04 PM
Make your own! Mobiles and WiFi use about 2.4GHz, or 1.9GHz in the US. Using v/f=lambda, 300000000/2.4*10^9 = 0.125m... so all you need is something with metal squares about half that size, 6cm (or 2.36 inches) in size, and you've got yourself a nice little Faraday cage.

Surrounding it in solid metal probably won't work, as the waves can still pass straight through. The metal wires disrupt the EM wave.

Sven Johannsen
09-18-2003, 02:38 AM
I am regularly in shielded environments where cell phone use is prohibited. Actually a silly prohibition since use is impossible. An interesting point about cell phones, they really like to communicate with their cells and use as much power to try to acheive that as is neccessary or available. In one of these shielded areas, the powered on cell phone will jack up it's transmit power to the max trying desperately to make contact. Usually drains the battery in about half a day. It gets about as much time as you normally get talk time. Folks who forget to turn their phones off, don't normally forget a second time.

I would expect that if these bags actually work, and I assume you leave your phone on and put it in there, it will cause the same problem. If the instructions say to turn your device off before putting it in the bag, you can save your money and stick it the next McDonald's bag you get with the same effect. A phone that is off...is off. A PPC that is off... granted is not off, but a BT transceiver that is off...is off.

karen
09-18-2003, 03:47 AM
There are environments where all kinds of devices are not allowed. In the natrual gas industry, there are codes for not carrying some pagers and cell phones unless they are certified (as explosion proof, which I always thought was a silly name). If you carried your device in one of these, in theory you'd never have to

So I could see some industrial applications for something like this and probably some corporate locations as well.

Karen