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clinte
07-02-2003, 10:36 AM
O2 Announces xda II Pocket PC Phone
http://www.brighthand.com/article/O2_Announces_xda_II

Key features are of the xda II are:

-triband capability to enable seamless use worldwide
-an integrated 640x480 pixels digital camera and full multimedia messaging functionality
-Bluetooth and optional Wireless LAN capability
-a faster processor (Intel Xscale 400 MHz) facilitating faster use
-improved talk and standby time
-the Phone Edition of Windows MobileTM 2003 Software for Pocket PC
-customer focussed packages for ease of use and understanding
-also available as a pre-pay option

Sales of the widely acclaimed xda continue to show steady growth finding a firm following amongst technology-friendly adopters, many of whom are in the small business segment. More than 64,000 devices have been sold in UK, Germany, Ireland and Asia.

Figures from Context highlight that for the voice-enabled PDA market, O2 has a 36% market share in Western Europe, a 59% market share in UK, and an 80% market share in Ireland . As well as winning excellent reviews, xda users are using its functionality to the full and are consistently amongst O2's heaviest data users.

http://www.mmo2.com/docs/media/pr_030701e.html

Although Windows CE .NET 4.2 will be the basis for next version of Pocket PC Phone Edition (2003) and next version of MS Smartphone (name not known), it is also available for many other hardware platforms (processors) and for other applications.
http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/639.html
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/612.html

Windows CE. NET 4.2 http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/ce.NET/evaluation/overview/default.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/Embedded/ce.NET/evaluation/whyupgrade.asp
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnembedded/html/embedded05202003.asp

Pocket PC 2003 phone (edition) is cool because not only you can use built-in cell phone features (GPRS) to connect to the Internet, but you can also use regular cell phone with Bluetooth to browse Internet without the use of the built-in cell phone
http://msmobiles.com/article.php/31.html

To be clear....is the Windows CE .NET 4.2 the basis for next version of Pocket PC Phone Edition 2003 , the next version of MS Smartphone AND the new Mobile Windows 2003 (PPC 2003) OS??????

dangerwit
07-02-2003, 12:36 PM
To be clear....is the Windows CE .NET 4.2 the basis for next version of Pocket PC Phone Edition 2003 , the next version of MS Smartphone AND the new Mobile Windows 2003 (PPC 2003) OS??????

Yup. And for handheld PCs as well.

*Phil

Monty Gibson
07-02-2003, 02:28 PM
O2 Announces xda II Pocket PC Phone
http://www.brighthand.com/article/O2_Announces_xda_II


I am so thrilled about this. I reported my expectations on this about a week or so ago in a similar thread on here, in this forum. I knew it wouldn't be long after 2003 was released that we'd hear something. I think T-Mobile will not be that far behind mmO2. They've (T-Mobile) have already polled their current customers of their devices and now I think they are just confirming with HTC what they too want in their new Pocket PC Phones. I don't expect much of a change from what's already been posted. I don't know if I am all that thrilled about the integrated camera; however, the resolution is still too grainy. But, nevertheless, it's progress and less the 64 megs of RAM (who wouldn't love more?) I think this is the best device that will come to market. I've always said that the 2-in-1 combination is the way to go and I don't think that the "Smartphone" platform is the wave. I believe that the Pocket PC Phone Edition(s) are the wave. But again, that's personal opinion.

This is an excellent device and it will only get better, but it will contain all the latest technology to date available to the mass market and I truly couldn't ask for anything more from a device. With 1 Gig SD cards now on the market with a rumor of them hovering around $299.00 soon, I don't see how anyone would not want to carry just one single device around; especially now since they've seemed to tweak longer battery life out of this device. I'm very excited.

Pony99CA
07-02-2003, 04:44 PM
With 1 Gig SD cards now on the market with a rumor of them hovering around $299.00 soon, I don't see how anyone would not want to carry just one single device around; especially now since they've seemed to tweak longer battery life out of this device.
There are many reasons not to want to carry a converged device. While I would love using a PPC Phone for data connectivity, I don't think I'd want to use one for voice. I haven't actually used one, but I'd think their size and having to put my face on the screen during calls would discourage me from using one as my primary phone. Plus, I prefer the clamshell flip-phone style.

I wrote my thoughts on this in a little editorial on my Web site (http://www.svpocketpc.com/#THOUGHT_ONE_PIECE_TWO_PIECE). In addition what I wrote there, I'd hate to have to soft reset during a call. :-)

That said, when I get some time, I'm going to check the Samsung SPH-i700 (http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?id=191) at my Verizon store and see what I think of it. Even if I wouldn't use it for a phone, using it for Internet access may be useful.

Steve

Monty Gibson
07-02-2003, 05:31 PM
I haven't actually used one....



"Don't Knock It Until You've Tried It."




In addition what I wrote there, I'd hate to have to soft reset during a call. :-)



I've never had to do this. I've been using mine since T-Mobile started selling the devices.

And finally, "To each his own." I personally think it's ridiculous to carry two devices.

Pony99CA
07-02-2003, 07:21 PM
And finally, "To each his own." I personally think it's ridiculous to carry two devices.
Saying "To each is own" is much better than "I don't see how anyone would not want to carry just one single device around." The latter is basically saying that you can't believe anybody would prefer two devices, so I wanted to give you some reasons why they might.

De gustas, nada es escrito. (Translation: Of tastes, nothing is written.)

Steve

Monty Gibson
07-02-2003, 10:05 PM
And finally, "To each his own." I personally think it's ridiculous to carry two devices.
Saying "To each is own" is much better than "I don't see how anyone would not want to carry just one single device around." The latter is basically saying that you can't believe anybody would prefer two devices, so I wanted to give you some reasons why they might.

Of which is your personal opinion as well, just as my original post was. I did not peruse your site to read your article, but I am sure that you give a boast of what you want and what you are looking for. Again, an opinion. It's my opinion to say that "I can't believe that anyone would want to carry two devices" which, when simplified; stated: "To each his own." Some reasons why "they" might want to carry two devices is just from your perspective, not that of others necessarily. I for one still believe it's not worth having two devices. I never have and I never will now that the technology is growing faster and smaller. You too will soon be urged to carry a one piece device; probably sooner than later. You'll see.

Pony99CA
07-03-2003, 02:51 AM
Saying "To each is own" is much better than "I don't see how anyone would not want to carry just one single device around." The latter is basically saying that you can't believe anybody would prefer two devices, so I wanted to give you some reasons why they might.
Of which is your personal opinion as well, just as my original post was. I did not peruse your site to read your article, but I am sure that you give a boast of what you want and what you are looking for. Again, an opinion. It's my opinion to say that "I can't believe that anyone would want to carry two devices" which, when simplified; stated: "To each his own."

It's a matter of phrasing, actually. I think your original version sounds more like "I think anybody who wants to carry two devices is foolish" more than "I realize that other people's opinions may differ from mine." Of course, that's just my opinion. :-)

Calling another opinion ridiculous shows a lack of respect for differing opinions, while saying "to each, his own" shows at least a tolerance of differing opinions.

Some reasons why "they" might want to carry two devices is just from your perspective, not that of others necessarily.
Actually, you're wrong here. The reasons I listed were all reasons I've seen others espouse in forums. Yes, they're still opinions, but they are certainly not just from my perspective.

My conclusion (preferring both a connected PDA for data and a SmartPhone for calling) differs from other opinions I've seen, so that is the only unique perspective I've put forth.

I for one still believe it's not worth having two devices. I never have and I never will now that the technology is growing faster and smaller.
One device works for you, and that's great. However, I don't think faster will be relevant in the one-piece/two-piece debate, and smaller isn't necessarily a good thing in a PDA (due to shrinking screen sizes). Many people want larger screens in their PDAs (as the number of people wishing the 2210 had a 3.8" screen indicates), so until some sort of foldable screen makes it to PDAs, there will be a minimum size people will accept.

You too will soon be urged to carry a one piece device; probably sooner than later. You'll see.
Who will be doing this urging? If you mean the people making converged PDAs and phones, via advertising, that's going on now with Pocket PC Phone Edition.

Steve

Monty Gibson
07-03-2003, 03:50 AM
Steve



:idea: I just realized that you're exactly right. :iamwithstupid: :byebye:

clinte
07-03-2003, 02:10 PM
I am so thrilled about this. I reported my expectations on this about a week or so ago in a similar thread on here, in this forum. I knew it wouldn't be long after 2003 was released that we'd hear something. I think T-Mobile will not be that far behind mmO2. They've (T-Mobile) have already polled their current customers of their devices and now I think they are just confirming with HTC what they too want in their new Pocket PC Phones. I don't expect much of a change from what's already been posted.....

"Taiwanese ODM High Tech Computer (HTC) Corp will ship an updated PPC 2003/ARM4 version of its Falcon (aka Spaceneedle, Wallaby) PPC Phone Edition design, as sold by AT&T, mm02 and T-Mobile, before the end of June."
http://www.datamonitor.com/~a0d7e72848f9470b8ec7d576f365d081~/all/news/product.asp?pid=09094908-0033-4507-B1A1-6FC9C904763B

Monty Gibson
07-03-2003, 03:21 PM
I am so thrilled about this. I reported my expectations on this about a week or so ago in a similar thread on here, in this forum. I knew it wouldn't be long after 2003 was released that we'd hear something. I think T-Mobile will not be that far behind mmO2. They've (T-Mobile) have already polled their current customers of their devices and now I think they are just confirming with HTC what they too want in their new Pocket PC Phones. I don't expect much of a change from what's already been posted.....

"Taiwanese ODM High Tech Computer (HTC) Corp will ship an updated PPC 2003/ARM4 version of its Falcon (aka Spaceneedle, Wallaby) PPC Phone Edition design, as sold by AT&T, mm02 and T-Mobile, before the end of June."
http://www.datamonitor.com/~a0d7e72848f9470b8ec7d576f365d081~/all/news/product.asp?pid=09094908-0033-4507-B1A1-6FC9C904763B


8O That's awesome! Thanks for the post!

disconnected
07-03-2003, 04:12 PM
That story also mentioned Panasonic. I wonder what they're creating.

Janak Parekh
07-03-2003, 04:30 PM
Interesting... so HTC is coming out with the device promptly, but it may take the carriers some time to adopt it. Not as bad as it first sounded. ;)

--janak

Pony99CA
07-03-2003, 09:35 PM
Interesting... so HTC is coming out with the device promptly, but it may take the carriers some time to adopt it.
Isn't that usually the case? Look how long many of these converged devices take to bring to market, even when the hardware is ready. The carrier approval process adds time, and they probably don't want to work with beta devices. (They may test with beta devices, but I'd think that final certification would require a release-level device.)

Steve

Janak Parekh
07-03-2003, 09:36 PM
Isn't that usually the case?
Yes. I just hadn't heard the date or any noise from HTC about this unit before.

--janak