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qmrq
04-28-2003, 05:44 PM
<a href=http://www.google.com/search?q=ntfs%20benefits>STFW!</a>

Someone makes a post about "tech savvy people here" and yet no one understands the NTFS file system?? Sheesh.

The main benefit you lose here is speed. When your system is idle, NTFS will relocate files that are often written to/read from to the inside of the HDD's physical platters where seek times are the lowest. Inversely, files that are read from to load applications, along with any other large files are arranged so that the files are contiguous. These are also placed on the outside of the physical platters where transfer speeds are the greatest.

Jason Dunn
04-28-2003, 06:02 PM
<a href=http://www.google.com/search?q=ntfs%20benefits>STFW!</a> Someone makes a post about "tech savvy people here" and yet no one understands the NTFS file system?? Sheesh.

Hey man, stow the attitude! No need to talk down to your fellow geeks.

NTFS isn't the end-all, be-all solution. I can tell you with absolute certainty that when it comes to video capturing, capturing to a blank partition results in far better captures with no frame drops vs. capturing to a partition full of data spread all over the place. Having to defrag to get continuous space before doing a capture is not a time saver for me. :D

Also, I keep my data isolated on it's own partition so that I only have to reinstall Windows on one partition in order to be up and running again. I've had Windows die on me too many times to trust putting everything on the same partition. If I did, salvaging the data that was created between the backups becomes a huge pain.

qmrq
04-28-2003, 06:40 PM
[quote=Jason Dunn][quote=qmrq]nifty tweak (http://www.google.com/search?q=ntfs%20benefits>STFW!</a>) in IE.

<img src=http://riisconsulting.dyndns.org/qkbase/files/ntfs.png>

eh . . uhm . . sorry for the shameless plug. :D

Master O'Mayhem
04-28-2003, 07:01 PM
If the benefits lost you mention are namely performance, then I will take a bit of degradation for the ability to bring my data back.

<a href=http://www.google.com/search?q=ntfs%20benefits>STFW!</a>

Someone makes a post about "tech savvy people here" and yet no one understands the NTFS file system?? Sheesh.

The main benefit you lose here is speed. When your system is idle, NTFS will relocate files that are often written to/read from to the inside of the HDD's physical platters where seek times are the lowest. Inversely, files that are read from to load applications, along with any other large files are arranged so that the files are contiguous. These are also placed on the outside of the physical platters where transfer speeds are the greatest.


I did look into this. the only thing i found was the performance issue. I can live with that. and that to me IS smart.

Jason Dunn
04-28-2003, 07:42 PM
[quote=Jason Dunn][quote=qmrq]nifty tweak (http://www.google.com/search?q=ntfs%20benefits>STFW!</a>) in IE.

Doesn't matter - if we spent all our time Googling, what need would there be for online community? Google doesn't work without content, and a lot of content comes from online communities like this. My point is that you shouldn't be telling people to go search Google for their answers - asking questions and providing answers is a part of online community. If you don't want to answer the question, don't answer it. But talking down to people because they're asking is not acceptable behaviour on this board.

You're a little bit too much like Rirath in that regard, and that's not exactly a compliment. :?

denethor
04-28-2003, 09:16 PM
Doesn't matter - if we spent all our time Googling, what need would there be for online community? Google doesn't work without content, and a lot of content comes from online communities like this.
Agreed.
By the way; if you felt in love with google just use Opera for browsing so you wont need to tweak IE :crazyeyes:

Ed Hansberry
05-01-2003, 06:02 PM
<a href=http://www.google.com/search?q=ntfs%20benefits>STFW!</a>

Someone makes a post about "tech savvy people here" and yet no one understands the NTFS file system?? Sheesh.

The main benefit you lose here is speed. When your system is idle, NTFS will relocate files that are often written to/read from to the inside of the HDD's physical platters where seek times are the lowest.
This isn't true.

NTFS doesn't do any automatic reallocation of files. It does try to be intelligent about how it writes files to the disk to allow for file growth and reduce fragmentation but if it worked well, there would be no need for defraggers, and clearly there is. Starting with Windows 2000 and continuing with XP, a basic defragger by Executive SOftware is built in. You can also buy one for NT4 from them or other companies.

XP does optimize the boot files and looks at your \windows\prefetch to determine what is needed during a boot and login. Those files are optimized in their placement periodically by XP, but that is not an NTFS feature. I don't know if NTFS must be the file system or if XP does this in FAT32 drives as well. I guess if your Prefetch folder on a FAT32 partition is full of files, XP is optimizing the boot for it as well.

Again, that is XP doing the moving, not the NTFS file system. Windows NT 4 and Windows 2000 do no such thing, nor does XP do this on non-system partitions and it certianly doesn't move data files around. Virtually all files in that prefetch folder reference .EXE files, the login.scr file, your normal screen saver SCR file and maybe a few others, like a .com or .cmd file you use all of the time.

So Quinn, before jumping all over someone about what they should or shouldn't do, perhaps you should google a bit.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/techinfo/planning/performance/startup.asp