Game Console Poll!!!

[SteelForceX]

Which game console do you own? If you have more than one, select your favorite!

[Fishie]

Heh, im a videogamesjournalist(here is a recent interview I did http://www.the-nextlevel.com/features/interviews/am2/ ).
My favourite among the current machines is still the Dreamcast tough, may its battered corpse rest in peace.

[Pony99CA]

Which game console do you own? If you have more than one, select your favorite!
I have a Playstation 2 and bought my daughter a GameCube. At one time, I also thought of getting an XBox for my bedroom. I voted the PS2 because that's mine, but you could easily have added more options for PS2/XBox, PS2/GameCube, XBox/GameCube, PS2/GameCube/XBox and a general Multiple Consoles option.

Steve

[Rirath]

I consider myself a die hard gamer... though I've yet to get into the Xbox or PS2. Sooner or later, but just not enough interest yet in either. I'll wait til they're cheaper and stick to PC gaming. I'm with you though Fishie, Dreamcast is awesome. I'd still take it any day over the PS2, Xbox, or GC. Long live Soul Calibur and the 2d Fighters. Though... if you don't own a PS1 that gives the PS2 a nice edge. And GC has Metroid Prime, which I love.

And it may not be a console, but don't count out the GameBoy Advance. That little thing packs some SERIOUS oldschool love. The Castlevania's, Metroid Fusion, Megaman Zero, not to mention the remakes like Link to the Past.

[vincentsiaw]

I just love the PS2, especially if you play online with many people, itry Xbox, but still prefer PS2

[Rirath]

I still say online gaming is the domain of the PC. Consoles /should/ have had it long ago, but they still can't get it right even today. The only positive online gaming experience I've ever had on a console is playing Chu Chu Rocket over the Dreamcast. Man that was a blast. My long held dream is a superb online capcom 2d fighter or a 3d fighter like Soul Calibur 2. Fat chance. :? Should have been done correctly years ago, but console makers are completely inept about online gaming in the USA.

And I don't care how good Halo is, the Xbox controller will never beat keyboard and mouse for FPS games. It's like comparing a standard controller to an arcade controller for a fighter game. It's just not the same, and head to head it's no contest.

By the way, just ordered these shirts yesterday. Can't wait til they get here! :D
http://www.game-skins.com/gssh020.shtml
http://www.game-skins.com/gssh022.shtml (black)
http://www.game-skins.com/gssh014.shtml (Male, of course, but this pic is black)

[Jhokur2k]

I bought an Xbox shortly after launch, and just got a Gamecube. I had the pleasure of being on the beta team for Xbox Live, which was very cool :) A couple weeks ago we played Super Monkey Ball 1 & 2 at work on the projector *sweet bliss - almost as good as playing at home on the 56"*, also "demonstrated" DOA-Xtreme Beach Volleyball :D I am sooo looking forward to Soul Caliber 2 on the Xbox or GC... one review said there would be over 150 weapons *drool*

[Fishie]

Rirath a game like Soul Calibur or Virtua Fighter wont work online.
A game like virtua fighter has single frame execution and cancels.
Meaning some things take 1/60th if a second to execute.
Others have a window of 7 or 8 frames.
Data has to be send and checked by both machines that are online several times for the input to work and synchronise so the data has quite a distance to travel.
In short lightspeed is not fast enough to provide for a connection that doesnt screw up the gameplay.
FPS and RTS games are far more forgiving then an all action fighting game in that regard.
Oh BTW Capcom VS SNK 2 EO has just been released on XBOX with live support.
Despite working over broadband only the lag often makes it unplayable.

[SteelForceX]

I have an X-Box! It is awsome!!!!! I cant wait for Red Faction II to come out it will rock!!!! (Its an upgraded version of the one on PS2)

[Bosco]

I own and love a PS2 and that's what I voted for. Maybe it's because I'm a Sony-head. Anyway, I also have a DreamCast and I must say that they had the greatest ideas on a console ever. VMU's? They were the greatest invention ever... better than seedless watermelon. If you've ever played NFL 2k on the DreamCast two-player with two VMU's, it's simply amazing... like a real football game. Of course, they just couldn't sell, but they were trully ahead of their time. And Soul Caliber was amazing too. Cervantes all the way!

But still, Devil May Cry 1 and 2 are my favorites right now, and they're on a console that I thought I would buy solely for Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec... still the greatest racing game of all time.

So until PS3, PS2 all the way!

[Rirath]

Rirath a game like Soul Calibur or Virtua Fighter wont work online.
A game like virtua fighter has single frame execution and cancels.
Meaning some things take 1/60th if a second to execute.
Others have a window of 7 or 8 frames.

Eh, honestly I really don't buy that. We can do FPS games with 30 players at once, we can do fighers with 2 people. It'll just take a step up in programming, that's all. Everything seems impossible until it's done.

Oh BTW Capcom VS SNK 2 EO has just been released on XBOX with live support.
Despite working over broadband only the lag often makes it unplayable.

Yeah I know, but we're talking a really old game here and poorly done at that. I'll stick to my dreamcast version. :?

[Pony99CA]

I also have a DreamCast and I must say that they had the greatest ideas on a console ever. VMU's?
My question exactly. What are VMUs?

Steve

P.S. If you're using an acronym that is niche-specific, it's a good idea to define it the first time you use it. I was watching a commercial for a farm and they talked about their "AI lab". Being a computer geek, I wondered why a farm would have an Artificial Intelligence lab. After a few viewings, it dawned on me that they had an Artificial Insemination lab. :lol:

[EvilOne]

"A VMU is the Memory card used to save your game positions on a Sega Dreamcast games console."

If you are interested in getting more information, here is where I got the information from... VMU (http://vmudev.dcemulation.com/faq.html#QUESTION1.1)

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

And Soul Caliber was amazing too. Cervantes all the way!
I bought the original PlayStation simply b/c of Soul Blade... mastered all the fighter's moves and used to participate in "Soul Blade Tournaments" while working for GeoCities at one time.

That's the greatest single line of fighting games I've ever seen... I came oh-so-close to buying the Dreamcast strictly because of Soul Caliber... I'm still hard-pressed to pass it up everytime I see it being sold used or at discounted prices.

[Rirath]

The VMU was more than just a memory card. It was also a small screen built into the unit that plugged into the controller and could display information. Like private play selections in football games. Beyond that, it was a portable gaming device! You could download little games into it like slot machines or such and play them on the go, then redownload the data into the full game to unlock stuff.

What difference does it make if he would have said VMU or the full name? You still wouldn't have known what it was, cept that it was a memory card. It was sorta an inside thing, ya know. :| (What WAS the full name anyway? Visual Memory Unit?)

As for Sega... yeah, incredible console but they just couldn't sell it properly to save their lives. Too bad it was limited to being a cult hit, but the best things often are. Oh, and I'll take on anyone with Nightmare, no contest. :wink: Too bad Soul Calibur didn't have the truly stunning FMV intro of Soul Blade, here's hoping SC2 does brings back a new one. "We all need... to shine on, to see."

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Too bad Soul Calibur didn't have the truly stunning FMV intro of Soul Blade, here's hoping SC2 does brings back a new one. "We all need... to shine on, to see."
Yeah, that FMV intro on SB was pretty sweet. BTW, when's SC2 supposed to be released and on which platforms?

[Rirath]

I believe it's all 3 platforms, each having their own unique extra chars last I heard. I believe GC is going to get Link for example, should be sweet. I think the date's in September... check places like Gamers.com and Gamespot.com for more info.

[Fishie]

Rirath a game like Soul Calibur or Virtua Fighter wont work online.
A game like virtua fighter has single frame execution and cancels.
Meaning some things take 1/60th if a second to execute.
Others have a window of 7 or 8 frames.

Eh, honestly I really don't buy that. We can do FPS games with 30 players at once, we can do fighers with 2 people. It'll just take a step up in programming, that's all. Everything seems impossible until it's done.

Oh BTW Capcom VS SNK 2 EO has just been released on XBOX with live support.
Despite working over broadband only the lag often makes it unplayable.

Yeah I know, but we're talking a really old game here and poorly done at that. I'll stick to my dreamcast version. :?


Like I said previously, just frame moves dont work if the data has to travel even as little as a thousand miles.
Lightspeed is too slow to provide for the responsivenes required to play high level Virtua fighter play for instance.
With FPS games you can buffer movement and anticipate gamelogic, in a one on one fighting game that gives you a total of 500 options to work with every 1/30th of a second you cannot anticipate to any degree of succes what the player will do so the cpu cant minimise lag like it can in a FPS, regardles even a single frame of lag can be deadly on higher levels of play on a fighter like VF and to a way leser degree SC2.

[Fishie]

I believe it's all 3 platforms, each having their own unique extra chars last I heard. I believe GC is going to get Link for example, should be sweet. I think the date's in September... check places like Gamers.com and Gamespot.com for more info.

Mcfarlane is getting involved and designed a new chara not in the arcade version called Necrid.
Necrid will be in all three home versions.
In adition to that we will get the following console only characters:
PS2 gets Heihachi from Tekken.
XBox gets Spawn
Gamecube gets Link from Legend of Zelda games.

Tournament level players like SC2(including me) less then SC and to be not as good and well balanced as SC on DC.
Current king of fighters remains Virtua fighter 4 Evolution.
VF4 however lacks the pyrotechnics of SC and is more of a thinking mans game that requires insane levels of dedication to become proficient at.
Most western gamers lack the discipline to commit themselves to the insane depths VF4 provides.
Its realtime chess fighting action.

[Rirath]

Well, I for one have never liked VF. I honestly don't want to play chess, I want to play a figher. With big weapons and much edge of your seat action. :wink: It really doesn't have anything to do with discipline and more to do with simply the wrong style of game. It's like playing a 3d fighter when what you're really wanting is a 2d fighter. :)

I can't see the point of putting the two in the same category. It's like Counter Strike or Rainbow Six vs Quake 3 or Unreal Tournament... it's just not the same thing and was never meant to be.

[SteelForceX]

All I know is that I want Halo 2 for my X-Box! Master Chief will kill VF4 with a covenant Rocket Launcher!!! hahahaha

[Fishie]

Hehe, as a tournament level player I seek the biggest and best challenge and competition and for the deepest and fastest gameplay possible.
VF4Evo in that regard is the gift that keeps on giving.
SC Is nice tough.

[Pony99CA]

What difference does it make if he would have said VMU or the full name? You still wouldn't have known what it was, cept that it was a memory card. It was sorta an inside thing, ya know. :| (What WAS the full name anyway? Visual Memory Unit?)
You couldn't just define it, eh? :roll: But since you asked.... :-)

The difference is that knowing it's a memory card is a big help over knowing nothing. For all I knew, VMU stood for "Video Master Unit" and was the DreamCast's video processor. Even if I wouldn't have known everything about it, how would I even know that without at least having the acronym spelled out?

Finally, I suggested "defining it", and a good definition, like yours, would do more than just spell out the full name. Based on your definition, they do sound very cool. Maybe the Game Boy Advance will work similarly when used as a controller for the Game Cube.

Steve

[Neo-420]

Xbox is nice but halo the only game they got so far...And everyone so excited about halo2 (cuz it online) but there gonna charge ya for it..Where socom navy seals doesnt on PS2..Ive went and bought 64nin, just so i could play zelda, and almost bought a xbox for metroid. I thought it was coo that they brought back out Rygar I rem playin the first Rygar on a 16bit nin. that was the goo ole days heheh:) tecmo bowl,and i want lie i played the heck out of super mario bro. And for you RPG lover i believe FFXI is gonna be online or is that 12.. Oh well gotta jet..........

Neo. :twisted: 0X [/quote]

[Fishie]

XBox has more then just Halo, you have games like Panzer Dragoon Orta, Splinter Cell, Jet set radio future, Racing evoluzione etcetera etcetera.
Metreoid prime is on Gamecube not on the XBox and you need to buy an add on to just even be able to go online with PS2.
FFX1 is a disaster, game sucks and doesnt work without having to buy a hard disk on top of the modem AND you have to pay a monthly fee, it bombed badly in Japan and might not even see a release in the West on PS2 at all.

[Pony99CA]

you need to buy an add on to just even be able to go online with PS2.

Don't you need to buy an add-on for all of the major consoles to go online? I know you have to buy a special pack for the XBox to get online.

Steve

[Fishie]

you need to buy an add on to just even be able to go online with PS2.

Don't you need to buy an add-on for all of the major consoles to go online? I know you have to buy a special pack for the XBox to get online.

Steve
Nope XBox has broadband built in.
You can set up a network of machines or go online WITHOUT XBox live.
XBox live however is the official service for its online matchmaking VOIP and content etcetera, that and officialy games dont work online without the XBox live pack.

[Fishie]

In contrast the PS2 requires you to buy a seperate modem and games like MMORPGs will require seperate monthly fees etcetera.
And in addition to that a game like FFXI requires an add on hard drive.
Total costs for the Japanese to start playing FFXI(not even including the PS2) were around 200$, HD/Modem combo, the game and the online fee.

[Pony99CA]

In contrast the PS2 requires you to buy a seperate modem and games like MMORPGs will require seperate monthly fees etcetera.
And in addition to that a game like FFXI requires an add on hard drive.
Total costs for the Japanese to start playing FFXI(not even including the PS2) were around 200$, HD/Modem combo, the game and the online fee.
<GACK> More acronyms! What are MMORPGs? What is FFXI? Foo Fighter's X-Rated Interactive? :-D

As for online gaming, didn't you say that FFXI sucked? So the cost for me will be zero. :-)

Steve

[Rirath]

Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games (A online world with hundreds of players at once)
Final Fantasy 11 (Eleven.) (A RPG series running since the days of Nintendo, most famous RPG to date probably)
HD = Hard Drive (stores information)
Combo = short for combination (often used informally to save time)

(Here's where you should ignore me to keep the bloodpressure down.)
Just a reminder all these answers could be found in seconds on any gaming website. A little research would go a long way in a gaming thread. Breaking the flow to explain is rather troublesome, no matter if you're talking about RDRAM vs SDRAM or PSX vs DC.

[Pony99CA]

(Here's where you should ignore me to keep the bloodpressure down.)
Just a reminder all these answers could be found in seconds on any gaming website. A little research would go a long way in a gaming thread. Breaking the flow to explain is rather troublesome, no matter if you're talking about RDRAM vs SDRAM or PSX vs DC.
The "flow"? It's not like there's real-time interaction getting interrupted here. But, if people are really worried about questions breaking the flow, a little typing out the acronyms would go a long way, as I suggested before. :-)

Anyway, thanks for the definitions (except the condescending ones, of course). There are so many games out there it's not easy to follow all of the acronyms, and I've even worked in the gaming industry (and attended the Game Devlopers Conference one year).

Steve

[SteelForceX]

PlayStation 2 28% [ 9 ]
X-Box 37% [ 12 ]
Game Cube 3% [ 1 ]


Dont these numbers seem a bit odd? PS2 is in the lead with sales but look at the numbers! That is weird! Also GameCube and X-box are alot closer than 12 to 1! I think this is because most people who buy gamecube are little kids! Im not dissin who ever has a gamecube but it is definitly marketed towards little kids!

[ironguy]

This last Christmas my wife got me an Xbox. I love it! She thinks I'm addicted, but I know I'm not. So what if I sit there until my legs and butt are numb. Big Deal if the bills have gone unpaid for a month. Like not eating is really gonna hurt me!
:wink:

[Rirath]

I think this is because most people who buy gamecube are little kids! Im not dissin who ever has a gamecube but it is definitly marketed towards little kids!

Not really. Heck, I've spent the last few months watching nothing but Metroid and Zelda ads. You're telling me that's marketing to kids? If nothing else, that's marketing to the oldschool gamer.

[Fishie]

I think this is because most people who buy gamecube are little kids! Im not dissin who ever has a gamecube but it is definitly marketed towards little kids!

Not really. Heck, I've spent the last few months watching nothing but Metroid and Zelda ads. You're telling me that's marketing to kids? If nothing else, that's marketing to the oldschool gamer.

And it aint working.

[SteelForceX]

Have you seen screenshots of the new zelda? Tell me that game wasnt made with little kids in mind and ill call you dumb@$$!

I loved every zelda game i have ever played but this looks like the end of the zelda games for me! If it had graphics like the N64 version i would run out to the store and buy a gamecube but it doesnt!!! It has little kid cartoon graphics!!!! Buy the new game! Link is back and better than ever!!! The classic weapons, sword and shield! and some of the new ones ,diaper, milk bottle, teethin ring, barney stuffed animal!!!! lol

[Fishie]

Let me ask you, as an adult have you ever enjoyed a cartoon?

[Rirath]

It has little kid cartoon graphics!!!! Buy the new game! Link is back and better than ever!!! The classic weapons, sword and shield! and some of the new ones ,diaper, milk bottle, teethin ring, barney stuffed animal!!!! lol

Let me ask you, as an adult have you ever enjoyed a cartoon?

I have. I watch anime on a daily basis. Raw japanese, fansubbed, even the dubbed stuff that comes on TV. I still watch american cartoons from time to time as well, who doesn't like Freakazoid for example. I don't believe SteelForceX to be old enough to honestly answer that question.

Nintendo will always have a public rep as being the kid's machine. Long time Nintendo fans simply don't care. We never cared back in the 8bit days and we still don't today. Call it what you will. Both the Gameboy Advance and the Gamecube have been a Nintendo fan's dream.

[Pony99CA]

PlayStation 2 28% [ 9 ]
X-Box 37% [ 12 ]
Game Cube 3% [ 1 ]


Dont these numbers seem a bit odd? PS2 is in the lead with sales but look at the numbers! That is weird! Also GameCube and X-box are alot closer than 12 to 1! I think this is because most people who buy gamecube are little kids! Im not dissin who ever has a gamecube but it is definitly marketed towards little kids!
The numbers are off because this isn't a total market survey or a statistically accurate survey.

As for the GameCube, I doubt little kids buy them. My daughter didn't buy her GameCube, I did. :-)

That said, there are certainly games for adults on it. One the games I got when I bought the GameCube was Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters because I thought it looked cool. My daughter didn't really want it, but I have played it. :-)

Yes, the GameCube certainly has more kid-friendly games, but I think that's a good thing. Some adults even like those "childish" games, like Animal Crossing.

Steve

[Fishie]

Rirath, exactly.
Akira is a seminal clasic, its animation but as deep as any movie I saw.
You cant shrug something of becouse its drawn intead of filmed.
Likewise good gameplay remains good gameplay regardles of graphics.

[Sheynk]

I think its obvious that X-box is the best.....right???? I mean this is a PPC site and the os is made by MSFT....soooo :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jokes aside....i got mine for my 16th b-day from my aunt.....saweet...I used to be a die hard FPS games on the PC but ever since I started playing splinter cell.....I lost all meaning to the word PC Gaming.....aaaaagggggghhhhh big screen surround sound vs. my 15" (i think) PC.

yeah....

This game platform jump for me made me even consider a MAc :o :o :o :o 17" powerbook........aghhh

ok ok

To each his or her own in the gaming world

[Pony99CA]

Rirath, exactly.
Akira is a seminal clasic, its animation but as deep as any movie I saw.
You cant shrug something of becouse its drawn intead of filmed.
Likewise good gameplay remains good gameplay regardles of graphics.
From a purely technical point, you may be correct. However, people also have preferences irrespective of any technical merit. Why do you think most films made nowadays are color, not black & white? Because people prefer them.

That doesn't mean Casablanca or Citizen Kane suck, just that some people would rather watch something "more realistic". Eventually almost all movies will be "drawn" (if you count life-like computer animation/CGI as "drawing"), but people will still have preferences as to content.

Steve

[Rirath]

Rirath, exactly.
Akira is a seminal clasic, its animation but as deep as any movie I saw.
You cant shrug something of becouse its drawn intead of filmed.
Likewise good gameplay remains good gameplay regardles of graphics.
From a purely technical point, you may be correct. However, people also have preferences irrespective of any technical merit. Why do you think most films made nowadays are color, not black & white? Because people prefer them.

Your intentions are good, but I think you're off base Steve. The upcoming Zelda game (already out in Japan of course) is cel shaded. It's not a throw back to the old days like black and white movies. It's rather new, though it has been done a few times before.

As for realistic vs non-realistic... that's entirely subjective. More than that, it almost impossible to judge. I'll use some American titles. Would you prefer Snow Dogs over the Lion King just because one's live action? Would a live action Lion King been any better? What about a completely new age CGI version? Would it still have been a classic? In a way, the upcoming Animatrix (www.theanimatrix.com) will be a very good test of all of these questions.

[Pony99CA]

Your intentions are good, but I think you're off base Steve. The upcoming Zelda game (already out in Japan of course) is cel shaded. It's not a throw back to the old days like black and white movies. It's rather new, though it has been done a few times before.
I wasn't claiming a specific game was using "old" technology. I was merely drawing an analogy to another visual medium and another presentation style (monchrome vs. color instead of live vs. animated).

If someone thinks Zelda is too "childish" based on the look, that's their taste, and it's OK. If they criticize somebody else for liking Zelda, that's another issue.

Steve

[Fishie]

Actually the problem runs deeper then those things.
Videogames as a medium have not matured into being accepted yet in the same way books, movies, TV etcetera have.
Adults read potter and watch Disney and arent affraid to admit it, we havent achieved the point yet where it is socially accepted to be the same towards games.
Playing a game with KIDDY graphics is seen as an attack to ones masculinity or maturity while in reality its just another form of entertainment expression.

[Rirath]

Actually the problem runs deeper then those things.
Videogames as a medium have not matured into being accepted yet in the same way books, movies, TV etcetera have.

Indeed, and the mere term "game" will probably keep it that way for awhile. Just a good decade and a half ago games were games. Simple rules, simple objects, just enough to keep your fingers moving and nothing else. That certainly hasn't been the case in an extremely long time. Games now have the plots and stories to rival and surpass that of many major motion pictures. We need a new term... "interactive entertainment" or such. :wink:

[Pony99CA]

Actually the problem runs deeper then those things.
Videogames as a medium have not matured into being accepted yet in the same way books, movies, TV etcetera have.

In some ways, you're correct. However, if you look at sales, I thought video games took in more money than movies. That's a powerful measure of acceptance. :-)

On the other hand, there have always been entertainment "ghettos". Science Fiction was like that from the 20s through the 50s or so. Some people consider TV an inferior form of movies. We all have our snobberies. :-)

Steve

[Rirath]

On the other hand, there have always been entertainment "ghettos". Science Fiction was like that from the 20s through the 50s or so. Some people consider TV an inferior form of movies. We all have our snobberies. :-)

Not us Pocket PC owners... never! :wink:

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

We all have our snobberies. :-)
Not us Pocket PC owners... never! :wink:
:rofl:

[Fishie]

That being said, I hope the PPC games presence at this years E3 will be bigger then last years.

[Rirath]

E3... Electronic Entertainment Expo. :wink:

I'm not so sure E3 is really the spot for PPC games. I mean, compared against all the other games on the market it just seems they're completely overshadowed no matter what they do. Until we start getting some seriously big names, if ever, I doubt Snails is going to draw many people away from the latest Squaresoft / Final Fantasy booth.

It's not that I wouldn't love to see a big showing there (E3 could really use it) but I just don't think PPC games have the power yet. There really aren't many big dev houses yet, or any big licenses the people can recognize.

[Fishie]

E3... Electronic Entertainment Expo. :wink:

I'm not so sure E3 is really the spot for PPC games. I mean, compared against all the other games on the market it just seems they're completely overshadowed no matter what they do. Until we start getting some seriously big names, if ever, I doubt Snails is going to draw many people away from the latest Squaresoft / Final Fantasy booth.

It's not that I wouldn't love to see a big showing there (E3 could really use it) but I just don't think PPC games have the power yet. There really aren't many big dev houses yet, or any big licenses the people can recognize.

Actually last year the Square booth was a big booth of nothingnes.
With FFXI on hiatus and pulled at the last moment they had al this space reserved for showcasing the online aspect of the game wich they had to fill with even more Kingdom hearts.

Remember tough that E3 despite the raging fanboys who happen to have a website registered as a bussuines is a place of bussuines first and foremost and as such a lot of smaller companies actually fare well.
A presence there gives credibility to the smallest of companies if they manage to show a genuinly good product.
yah the EA´s and sony´s of this world demand the majority of attention but regardles of that there is place there to show of the niche and get momentum going.

[SteelForceX]

X-Box would be more popular if we didn't get ported PS2 games!!!! Why the hell was Medal of Honor even released for X-Box? I would rather play it on my computer than play the PS2 version on my XBox which is closer to Nintendo 64 graphics than XBox!!!! Stupid EA! No one is going to buy ps2 port games for X-Box when the whole reason why X-Box is superior is because of the graphics!!!!!

Also, companies like EA do not *believe* in Live!, they refuse to implament it into any of their games!!!!

[Fishie]

X-Box would be more popular if we didn't get ported PS2 games!!!! Why the hell was Medal of Honor even released for X-Box? I would rather play it on my computer than play the PS2 version on my XBox which is closer to Nintendo 64 graphics than XBox!!!! Stupid EA! No one is going to buy ps2 port games for X-Box when the whole reason why X-Box is superior is because of the graphics!!!!!

Also, companies like EA do not *believe* in Live!, they refuse to implament it into any of their games!!!!

Nothing to do with NOT BELIEVING in XBox live.
EA is the biggest independant entertainment software publisher in the world(in fact its the biggest PERIOD) and as such they have certain insane demands(revenue sharing)that are not being met by MS.
EA is the Walmart of the gaming world, EA doesnt come to Redwood, Redwood comes to EA and Redwood better bring a very big basket of goodies.

[Pony99CA]

X-Box would be more popular if we didn't get ported PS2 games!!!! Why the hell was Medal of Honor even released for X-Box?

Can you say Splinter Cell? :-) I've heard it's being ported to the PS2 now, at least.

Steve

[Pony99CA]

EA is the Walmart of the gaming world, EA doesnt come to Redwood, Redwood comes to EA and Redwood better bring a very big basket of goodies.
Actually, EA did come to Redwood -- Redwood City, California (where their headquarters is located). :-)

You probably meant Redmond, Washington, where Microsoft is headquartered. :-)

Steve

[Fishie]

EA is the Walmart of the gaming world, EA doesnt come to Redwood, Redwood comes to EA and Redwood better bring a very big basket of goodies.
Actually, EA did come to Redwood -- Redwood City, California (where their headquarters is located). :-)

You probably meant Redmond, Washington, where Microsoft is headquartered. :-)

Steve

Yeah my bad.