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dgw

02-07-2003, 02:48 PM

Pony99CA

02-07-2003, 04:01 PM

dgw

02-07-2003, 04:11 PM

http://www.t-mobile.com/help/products/Pocket_PC/Pocket_PC.pdf
Chapter 5 (pg63) bullet point3.

How can that be done?
Thanks
Dgw

Steven Cedrone

02-07-2003, 04:34 PM

Your question should be: How do I use my T-Mobile to connect to a private network using VPN???

Steve

dgw

02-07-2003, 04:36 PM

Do you know where I can find help on that?
Thanks
Dgw

Steven Cedrone

02-07-2003, 04:43 PM

Take a look throught the threads in this forum...

Steve

Pony99CA

02-07-2003, 07:29 PM

Do you know where I can find help on that?

Did you read http://www.t-mobile.com/help/products/Pocket_PC/Pocket_PC.pdf
(Chapter 5 (page 63), bullet point 4 and later)? That seems to tell you what you need and gives instructions on getting connected.

You'll likely have to go to your company's IT group and ask for a dial-in number and authorization to use VPN, too.

Steve

Monty Gibson

02-07-2003, 08:21 PM

I am trying to connect my t-Moblie Pocket PC Phone to my companies wireless LAN. I am having no luck. I have all the information about the LAN, but I don't know where to start on the Phone. Does someone know of a resource that can walk me through the process. Thanks
dgw
Unless you have a WiFi card, you can't connect to the wireless LAN. Even worse, I don't think you'll ever be able to connect to a wireless LAN.

According to the T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition Web page (http://www.t-mobile.com/products/features.asp?phoneid=166765), this device only has an SD memory slot. If it's not SDIO, that means you can't use any of the SDIO WiFi cards that will be coming out.

Unless there's a sleeve or backpack for your device that allows expansion, or unless there's some WiFi connection to the serial connector on the device, you're out of luck.

Steve

Steve:

Um... wrong, I do this everday to view CT scans and MRI's on patients. I had trouble at first as well getting setup into our LAN, but I finally received some excellent information from this forum and excellent help from our IT department. That's why it's nice to have the VPN instead of having a card or also Bluetooth. So no; we're very much in "luck."

Read this thread: http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7183&highlight=vpn

Monty Gibson

02-07-2003, 08:23 PM

Pony99CA

02-07-2003, 08:59 PM

szeldov

02-08-2003, 01:42 AM

DGW, see if the following document will help:
http://flash.o2.co.uk/productsservices/vpn/pdf/VPNAccessoverMobileWeb1.2b.pdf

Stan.

Monty Gibson

02-08-2003, 02:30 PM

Actually, I don't believe I was wrong. If you read the original post (quoted for your convenience :-)), you'll see dgw specifically asked to get on his company's wireless LAN.

As Steve C. pointed out, it's now apparent that dgw really wanted to know if he could dial in to his company's LAN wirelessly, but that's not what was originally asked.

Just because somebody asked the wrong question doesn't mean my answer was wrong. :-)

Steve

Steve:

For the lack thereof and the superfluous argumentative state that this may or may not become I must say that to "dial-in" to a wireless LAN and/or trying to access a wireless LAN is something that we; T-Mobile (et al names implied for this device) users are able to do, without a WiFi card. We can access any LAN, having the proper setup information to my knowledge. Actually, I think this is perhaps even better, but who am I to give advice :|?

Pony99CA

02-08-2003, 03:25 PM

For the lack thereof and the superfluous argumentative state that this may or may not become I must say that to "dial-in" to a wireless LAN and/or trying to access a wireless LAN is something that we; T-Mobile (et al names implied for this device) users are able to do, without a WiFi card. We can access any LAN, having the proper setup information to my knowledge. Actually, I think this is perhaps even better, but who am I to give advice :|?

A company could provide many ways to access their LAN. Some common ways include hardwired via a cable, wirelessly using 802.11, or dialing in and connecting using a VPN. However, unless the LAN is set up to allow dialing in (and not all are), how would someone with a Pocket PC Phone Edition XDA access that LAN?

I have no doubt that an XDA can dial in to a LAN and use VPN. However, if you need a hardwired Ethernet connection, how would you do it without an Ethernet card? If you need to access a WiFi LAN, how would you do it without a WiFi card? Or does the XDA have some capability to accept I/O cards that I'm just not aware of?

A "wireless LAN", as requested by dgw initially, usually implies an 802.11 network, and you can't just dial in to those. That's why I answered the question by saying that you couldn't do it. If dgw wanted to dial in and use VPN, then you gave him the answer. I think we're both right in our answers to dgw, but we were answering different questions.

Steve

Monty Gibson

02-08-2003, 05:28 PM

A company could provide many ways to access their LAN. Some common ways include hardwired via a cable, wirelessly using 802.11, or dialing in and connecting using a VPN. However, unless the LAN is set up to allow dialing in (and not all are), how would someone with a Pocket PC Phone Edition XDA access that LAN?

I have no doubt that an XDA can dial in to a LAN and use VPN. However, if you need a hardwired Ethernet connection, how would you do it without an Ethernet card? If you need to access a WiFi LAN, how would you do it without a WiFi card? Or does the XDA have some capability to accept I/O cards that I'm just not aware of?

A "wireless LAN", as requested by dgw initially, usually implies an 802.11 network, and you can't just dial in to those. That's why I answered the question by saying that you couldn't do it. If dgw wanted to dial in and use VPN, then you gave him the answer. I think we're both right in our answers to dgw, but we were answering different questions.

Steve

If in such a company provided a LAN to their employees; it would be feasible to say that nearby a computer would be "connected." I can't see this not being the case. As in my case: We offer WiFi via 802.11 access and VPN (or so I'm told).

Every nursing station, every dictation room, every 20 feet their is some type of computer (some are just LAN terminals) able to access our LAN. I don't know if it's that prolific everywhere (being able to access a LAN every 20 feet or so) but it would be idiocracy just to have one single computer as the only access point; no matter what the company or business.

With that said, why would one need to have access with a Pocket PC and a WiFi card? This was my dilemma when purchasing and thinking about the purchase for my Pocket PC Phone Edition. I weighed the options and knew that I wanted/needed to access our servers via outside the hospital. WiFi of course would not work. And you are correct, there are several ways to "access" a LAN; however, I have spoken to several colleagues and they stated that they too offer VPN access to their LAN's. So, it perhaps is becoming common? Who's to say, but I know that for me WiFi does not make sense.

I've read of those whom go through the rigmarole of WiFi(ing) their homes. Laziness; unless you live in a home greater than 4000 square feet and only have one computer. Wasted money, wasted time.

Bluetooth is the same. Why? It's 30 feet "leash" is ridiculous. How many bluetooth printers can you count at your company right now? I can count one and that's only because it's our IT manager and it's his own personal bluetooth printer that he had to buy. The hospital did not purchase this for him; however, there are Hewlett Packard 4000 LaserJet Printers at the said nursing stations that I've mentioned previously so, what's that? Perhaps 200-300 printers? Infrared anyone? I have software that enables me to print any format to any infrared ported printer.

Not to mention fax machines and the software that's available for Pocket PC's now that enables one with a Pocket PC Phone to call to any fax machine and thus be able to print to these machines.

I know that you are aware that our SD is not I/O compliant. Don't be obtuse please. But again, it's not an issue.

Can you tell me why, perhaps a WiFi card would be needed at such a company or institution or even in someones own home if a computer is but a mere 10-40 feet away? Even bluetooth? Jabra, you're aware, now manufactures "bluetooth" headsets for the bluetooth un-enabled. So, again, what's the purpose? I cannot be convinced of any other argument.

Monty Gibson

02-08-2003, 06:02 PM

A company could provide many ways to access their LAN. Some common ways include hardwired via a cable

And this cable is connected to a what?

Wirelessly using 802.11

And this ethernet card is connected to a what?

...dialing in and connecting using a VPN.

You dial into a VPN using a what?

However, unless the LAN is set up to allow dialing in (and not all are), how would someone with a Pocket PC Phone Edition XDA access that LAN?

Hmm, by walking over to the local terminal and using it instead of wasting my time on a screen so small that my eyes would need Lasik (http://www.lasiksurgery.com/index.cfm/lasikvision/lasik) surgery if I had to use my Pocket PC all day long.

I have no doubt that an XDA can dial in to a LAN and use VPN. However, if you need a hardwired Ethernet connection, how would you do it without an Ethernet card?

You wouldn't. You would walk over to the nearset terminal and use it. It's actually very simple and you're answering your own questions.

If you need to access a WiFi LAN, how would you do it without a WiFi card?

Walk over to the nearest terminal use it, and again not strain my eyes at a small screen.

A "wireless LAN", as requested by dgw initially, usually implies an 802.11 network, and you can't just dial in to those.

But ours is a "wireless LAN" too; and again, why would you stress yourself over trying to use a Pocket PC when you could use a normal (and much faster) computer?

Pony99CA

02-08-2003, 06:23 PM

I don't know if it's that prolific everywhere (being able to access a LAN every 20 feet or so) but it would be idiocracy just to have one single computer as the only access point; no matter what the company or business.

I'm missing your point here. Who said anything about only having one computer? The whole point of a LAN is to allow multiple computers to share information.

I won't ask what "idiocracy" is? ;-)

I weighed the options and knew that I wanted/needed to access our servers via outside the hospital. WiFi of course would not work. And you are correct, there are several ways to "access" a LAN; however, I have spoken to several colleagues and they stated that they too offer VPN access to their LAN's. So, it perhaps is becoming common? Who's to say, but I know that for me WiFi does not make sense.

No, until WiFi is more widely available it doesn't make sense if you want to connect to a LAN from far away. That's what dial-in access with VPNs are for, and you made the correct decision in getting a Pocket PC Phone Edition, I think.

However, regardless of what your colleagues may have, I doubt every business with a LAN has or allows users to dial in. For example, some small companies (like my wife's travel agency) may have a LAN but don't have the money or need to set up a VPN.

I've read of those whom go through the rigmarole of WiFi(ing) their homes. Laziness; unless you live in a home greater than 4000 square feet and only have one computer. Wasted money, wasted time.

Now that's just an ignorant comment. I set up a WiFi LAN in my home so that my daughter could use her computer to access the Internet while I was using mine to access the Internet. I certainly did not want to have another phone line for her, nor did I want to run cables from her room to my room, where the router is.

So please tell me how I have wasted my time and money? :roll:

Oh, yeah, and so what if someone is lazy? Maybe somebody wants to use their laptop to surf the Internet while watching TV on the couch. Who are you to call them lazy? :roll:

Bluetooth is the same. Why? It's 30 feet "leash" is ridiculous.

[...]

I have software that enables me to print any format to any infrared ported printer.

You use infrared printers and wonder why Bluetooth is good? :lol: Infrared is line-of-sight and likely has a shorter range than Bluetooth's 30 feet. Bluetooth saves people from having to run cables all over the place, just like IR does, but Bluetooth is over 6x faster (768 kbps vs. IR's 115 kbps, I believe).

I know that you are aware that our SD is not I/O compliant. Don't be obtuse please. But again, it's not an issue.

For someone who can't see any reason to put a WiFi network in a home, you should watch who you call obtuse. :roll:

For the record, I wasn't being obtuse. I don't have an XDA, so maybe it had SDIO and I simply wasn't aware of it. I didn't think it did, but, unless I asked, I couldn't be sure.

Can you tell me why, perhaps a WiFi card would be needed at such a company or institution or even in someones own home if a computer is but a mere 10-40 feet away?

I think I answered that question for the home rather well.

As for a business, I could imagine being in a meeting and needing some data on my computer. With a WiFi card, I could easily access it in the meeting room without having to say, "Wait while I run to the nearest computer to check."

Even bluetooth? Jabra, you're aware, now manufactures "bluetooth" headsets for the bluetooth un-enabled. So, again, what's the purpose? I cannot be convinced of any other argument.

If you have a need to use a headset on a cell phone, maybe you think the cord running from your ear to the phone is a fashion statement. :-) However, many people find the cord annoying and just one more thing to get tangled up in something.

Of course, if you can't be convinced of another point of view, there's not much point in going on, is there?

Steve

Ekkie Tepsupornchai

02-08-2003, 06:33 PM

Can you tell me why, perhaps a WiFi card would be needed at such a company or institution or even in someones own home if a computer is but a mere 10-40 feet away? Even bluetooth? Jabra, you're aware, now manufactures "bluetooth" headsets for the bluetooth un-enabled. So, again, what's the purpose? I cannot be convinced of any other argument.
IMO, WiFi, Bluetooth, and VPN all serve different purposes. Obviously there's some overlap, but I can certainly see the use of each. To me, BT is really a replacement to serial connectivity such as serial cables, USB cables, and even IR. WiFi is an alternative to wired Ethernet connectivity. VPN is obviously a great alternative if you need to be dialed into a WAN and are not anywhere near the facilities. All these technologies are comparisons of Apples to Oranges to Grapes.

I don't have a merged PDA/phone such as the PPCPE (and don't desire one for many reasons, but that's another topic). I have an iPaq3870 and a SE T68. In order for me to get on the internet while on the road, I need to connect my iPaq with my t68. I could use a serial cable, when on the go, but why do I want to carry a proprietary serial cable and go through the trouble of handling a device in each hand while I connect the cables? I can leave the phone in my pocket and use my PPC to dial directly to my ISP as if it were a PPCPE. The BT connection also allows me to swap contact info.

At home I have two desktop machines. One dedicated to myself and one for my parents. They're already hard-connected via Ethernet. While the two systems only reside 30 feet away from eachother, the Ethernet connectivity allows me to move files back and forth (e.g. setup files, backups, etc.) as well as share an internet connection. Had WiFi been around at the time I first set these machines up, they would be on WiFi. Why? Because I wouldn't have to run CAT5 cables from my room to the living room and I wouldn't limit myself to how the desktops must be arranged.

WiFi on my work laptop allows me to leverage the same internet connection that my Desktop has to checking corporate email (which I CANNOT do on my desktop b/c of s/w restrictions). Without WiFi, I'd need an ethernet cable connection or I'd need to steal another phoneline, all the while being limited on where I can bring my laptop (not to mention introducing wires to the mix).

I understand that in the corporate environment you describe, neither WiFi nor Bluetooth make sense, but that doesn't mean there isn't any practical use for them.

Monty Gibson

02-09-2003, 12:50 AM

I'm missing your point here. Who said anything about only having one computer? The whole point of a LAN is to allow multiple computers to share information.

Yes, you are missing my point. Matter of fact; you've missed this entire thread all together. You didn't read my previous post clearly. It stated simply that why use WiFi in a business setting and Pocket PC's to access this WiFi LAN when there is a terminal every 20 feet or so? Terminals are directly linked to the LAN instead; however, it appears you want to use the Pocket PC with a WiFi card and walk around staring at a very tiny screen therefore straining your eyes instead of using an actual computer that lay before you.

I won't ask what "idiocracy" is? ;-)

You shouldn't have to; it's in the English language and therefore in the dictionary. Here: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=idiocracy Stay away from your spell checkers, they're not always correct. Knowledge comes from reading and the text within those books.

However, regardless of what your colleagues may have, I doubt every business with a LAN has or allows users to dial in. For example, some small companies (like my wife's travel agency) may have a LAN but don't have the money or need to set up a VPN.

Indeed, I am sure that this travel agency is a large corporate "conglomerate?" Say a 2-4 story building? Or is it perhaps an office? If so, why would this company invest in a LAN that would either want a VPN or WiFi setup if perhaps just even an office so that they could use their Pocket PC's to access the information? That IS the topic here, using the Pocket PC to access LAN's, not the ability to connect a series of computers to a LAN. Please stay on topic; you're losing yourself.

I've read of those whom go through the rigmarole of WiFi(ing) their homes. Laziness; unless you live in a home greater than 4000 square feet and only have one computer. Wasted money, wasted time.

Now that's just an ignorant comment. I set up a WiFi LAN in my home so that my daughter could use her computer to access the Internet while I was using mine to access the Internet. I certainly did not want to have another phone line for her, nor did I want to run cables from her room to my room, where the router is.

Reading skills... your comment is laughable. Read my post yet again, I stated "unless you live in a home greater than 4000 square feet and only have one computer." Perhaps I should have stated it thusly: "Unless you live in a home greater than 4000 square feet OR have only one computer." Perhaps you would have understood more distinctly. My mistake. I apologize for my writing abilities; I know they exceed sometime :roll:. Let me clarify even further, just in case you want to make this another argumentative issue: You are just in making your home WiFi accessible for multiple computers if more than one computer will be accessing at the same time. But; for those who speak in these forums, they are (usually) WiFi(ing) there homes not just for the sake of what you've mentioned, but to surf the web, access their computers on their Pocket PC's. Your case is made and again is just, but you've went above and beyond topic as this thread has all together and since this is the case I will say that it is still a waste of time and money for those who just wish to access their computer from their homes with a Pocket PC and a WiFi card when their main computer or laptop lay just a few feet away or in their lap.

So please tell me how I have wasted my time and money? :roll:

Just did; please read slowly.

Oh, yeah, and so what if someone is lazy? Maybe somebody wants to use their laptop to surf the Internet while watching TV on the couch. Who are you to call them lazy? :roll:

That's such an oxymoron I hesitate to even reply. The emphatic epitome of laziness is just what you've mentioned. All you need to complete your picture is Cheese Puffs and some :drinking:. Surfing the internet while watching television... How about those who do this from their PC's :wink:? I am sure in your technologically advanced home you have a T.V. tuner card that enables you to watch television while responding to post such as these, perhaps the cause of such misinterpretation of such said posts :wink:?

Bluetooth is the same. Why? It's 30 feet "leash" is ridiculous.

[...]

I have software that enables me to print any format to any infrared ported printer.

You use infrared printers and wonder why Bluetooth is good? :lol: Infrared is line-of-sight and likely has a shorter range than Bluetooth's 30 feet. Bluetooth saves people from having to run cables all over the place, just like IR does, but Bluetooth is over 6x faster (768 kbps vs. IR's 115 kbps, I believe).

Again, count how readily available this technology is where you work, operate, or earn your livelihood and then I; in turn, will walk through my hospital and count how many infrared ports I see. Come back with actual photographs and I will personally send you $20.00 for every Bluetooth capable printer photograph you have in your building or office in which you work and in turn you send me $20.00 for every Infrared printer photograph I have at my hospital, agreed?

Who mentioned anything about being faster? Oh wait; you did, I didn't. Bluetooth is 30 feet and 768 kbps. It's an amazing advancement, but it's not readily available. If it were, we would see more and more bluetooth devices and yet we have not. Until that time comes, I will wait to "upgrade." It's just not readily available. And yes, 30 feet is ridiculous. That's where we can go back to the WiFi debate, but I digress.

I know that you are aware that our SD is not I/O compliant. Don't be obtuse please. But again, it's not an issue.
For someone who can't see any reason to put a WiFi network in a home, you should watch who you call obtuse. :roll:

I rest my case and state that you should have read my post at a higher level.

For the record, I wasn't being obtuse. I don't have an XDA, so maybe it had SDIO and I simply wasn't aware of it. I didn't think it did, but, unless I asked, I couldn't be sure.

I've seen your many posts. Your not a "newbie" as it were. I am sure your very familiar with most if not all of the devices on the market. I am not in the technology field at all; but will attest that I know much of what each device has or doesn't have on the market at the moment. My statement stands.

Can you tell me why, perhaps a WiFi card would be needed at such a company or institution or even in someones own home if a computer is but a mere 10-40 feet away?

I think I answered that question for the home rather well.

Incorrect; was shoddy as you misread my post and misunderstood it as well.

As for a business, I could imagine being in a meeting and needing some data on my computer. With a WiFi card, I could easily access it in the meeting room without having to say, "Wait while I run to the nearest computer to check."

So, the scenario is that you're already IN the meeting? Shouldn't you be prepared when you go to a meeting? When I am in surgery, I don't state: "Please wait while I get my Pocket PC to log onto WebMD via our LAN to find out where your cerebral cortex is anatomically located." :lol: :lol: :lol:. What a laugh.

Even bluetooth? Jabra, you're aware, now manufactures "bluetooth" headsets for the bluetooth un-enabled. So, again, what's the purpose? I cannot be convinced of any other argument.

If you have a need to use a headset on a cell phone, maybe you think the cord running from your ear to the phone is a fashion statement. :-) However, many people find the cord annoying and just one more thing to get tangled up in something.

I know that you're having a very difficult time understanding this but what I said is that Jabra makes such a device that is wireless. It's in this annoyance that Jabra probably made such a device available to us.

Of course, if you can't be convinced of another point of view, there's not much point in going on, is there?

Actually the point is no longer moot; the topic has dissolved into something totally different and I've been just having fun watching you. Thank you.

Pony99CA

02-09-2003, 04:08 AM

I'm missing your point here. Who said anything about only having one computer? The whole point of a LAN is to allow multiple computers to share information.

Yes, you are missing my point. Matter of fact; you've missed this entire thread all together. You didn't read my previous post clearly.

Yes, it must be my lack of clear reading, not your obtuse writing style. To wit:

If in such a company provided a LAN to their employees; it would be feasible to say that nearby a computer would be "connected."

I could cite more instances, but that would belabor the obvious.

I won't ask what "idiocracy" is? ;-)

You shouldn't have to; it's in the English language and therefore in the dictionary. Here: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=idiocracy Stay away from your spell checkers, they're not always correct. Knowledge comes from reading and the text within those books.

Yes, I've read quite a lot and developed an excellent vocabulary by doing that. I still don't think "idiocracy" made sense; "idiocy" would have made more sense in the context you used, I think.

However, regardless of what your colleagues may have, I doubt every business with a LAN has or allows users to dial in. For example, some small companies (like my wife's travel agency) may have a LAN but don't have the money or need to set up a VPN.

Indeed, I am sure that this travel agency is a large corporate "conglomerate?" Say a 2-4 story building? Or is it perhaps an office? If so, why would this company invest in a LAN that would either want a VPN or WiFi setup if perhaps just even an office so that they could use their Pocket PC's to access the information?

As I had already stated that the travel agency was a "small company", your question about it being a large conglomerate seems foolish. But thank you very much for making the point I've been making these past few posts -- not every business needs VPN.

So, contrary to your assertion in a prior post, you can't access any LAN given the setup information. You can only access those LANs that allow a user to dial in.

That may be sufficient for your needs, but it may not be sufficient for dgw, who originally started this thread.

That IS the topic here, using the Pocket PC to access LAN's, not the ability to connect a series of computers to a LAN. Please stay on topic; you're losing yourself.

:rofl: For someone constantly saying you don't need to use a Pocket PC with its small screen because you can walk to a LAN-connected terminal, I don't think I'm the one who's off-topic.

My point is still the same, and Pocket PC related. The Pocket PC Phone Edition XDA devices can't access any LANs that don't support dial-in capability. Your protestations that you don't need more than that and that you can access terminals where you work are completely irrelevant, so I apologize for responding to your digressions.

I've read of those whom go through the rigmarole of WiFi(ing) their homes. Laziness; unless you live in a home greater than 4000 square feet and only have one computer. Wasted money, wasted time.

Now that's just an ignorant comment. I set up a WiFi LAN in my home so that my daughter could use her computer to access the Internet while I was using mine to access the Internet. I certainly did not want to have another phone line for her, nor did I want to run cables from her room to my room, where the router is.

Reading skills... your comment is laughable. Read my post yet again, I stated "unless you live in a home greater than 4000 square feet and only have one computer." Perhaps I should have stated it thusly: "Unless you live in a home greater than 4000 square feet OR have only one computer." Perhaps you would have understood more distinctly. My mistake. I apologize for my writing abilities; I know they exceed sometime :roll:

Your eye rolling is appropriate if you think your writing skills exceed, as you couldn't make the correct choice between "and" and "or". In fact, you couldn't even quote my post properly, making it appear as if you said what I said.

By the way, if someone has only one computer, why would they put a LAN in their home at all? Keep trying, though; I'm sure you'll eventually be able to ask a question that makes sense without being trivial.

Oh, yeah, and so what if someone is lazy? Maybe somebody wants to use their laptop to surf the Internet while watching TV on the couch. Who are you to call them lazy? :roll:

That's such an oxymoron I hesitate to even reply. The emphatic epitome of laziness is just what you've mentioned.

You obviously don't understand what "oxymoron" means. I specifically chose an obvious example of what some would call the "couch potato" to make my point -- who you are to call them lazy. :roll: If they want to spend their money and time to be able to connect wirelessly, so what?

Have you ever spent money on things you don't need, like a BMW or SUV when a Toyota would do, or a Rolex when a Timex would do? Have you ever spent time on things that others would consider a waste (like responding to these posts, for example? :lol:)?

Bluetooth is the same. Why? It's 30 feet "leash" is ridiculous.

[...]

I have software that enables me to print any format to any infrared ported printer.

You use infrared printers and wonder why Bluetooth is good? :lol: Infrared is line-of-sight and likely has a shorter range than Bluetooth's 30 feet. Bluetooth saves people from having to run cables all over the place, just like IR does, but Bluetooth is over 6x faster (768 kbps vs. IR's 115 kbps, I believe).

Again, count how readily available this technology is where you work, operate, or earn your livelihood and then I; in turn, will walk through my hospital and count how many infrared ports I see. Come back with actual photographs and I will personally send you $20.00 for every Bluetooth capable printer photograph you have in your building or office in which you work and in turn you send me $20.00 for every Infrared printer photograph I have at my hospital, agreed?

There's another ignorant comment. Infrared has been out much longer than Bluetooth, so it's not surprising that it's more widely deployed where you work. Back when cars were new and horses predominated, you'd probably have called the automobile pointless, too, based on sheer numbers.

Who mentioned anything about being faster? Oh wait; you did, I didn't. Bluetooth is 30 feet and 768 kbps. It's an amazing advancement, but it's not readily available. If it were, we would see more and more bluetooth devices and yet we have not. Until that time comes, I will wait to "upgrade." It's just not readily available. And yes, 30 feet is ridiculous.

Yes, I mentioned speed, because it was something that obviously escaped you when asking "Why?" regarding Bluetooth.

As for the range, there are Bluetooth devices with ranges up to 300 feet (Class 1 or Class A, I think), so your entire premise is flawed.

Furthermore, while I agree that Bluetooth isn't readily available in some devices, if you aren't seeing more and more Bluetooth devices, you're living under a rock. Look at all of the new Pocket PCs that are coming equpped with Bluetooth. Look at the Jabra headset you yourself mentioned. There are devices to allow access to LANs and printers via Bluetooth, too.

As for a business, I could imagine being in a meeting and needing some data on my computer. With a WiFi card, I could easily access it in the meeting room without having to say, "Wait while I run to the nearest computer to check."

So, the scenario is that you're already IN the meeting? Shouldn't you be prepared when you go to a meeting? When I am in surgery, I don't state: "Please wait while I get my Pocket PC to log onto WebMD via our LAN to find out where your cerebral cortex is anatomically located." :lol: :lol: :lol:. What a laugh.

If you had to ask where the cerebral cortex was after high school, you shouldn't have been allowed into medical school. :-D However, hasn't there ever been a time in surgery where something unexpected came up and it would have been useful to consult an expert or reference book right there?

The difference is that you might not be able to stop to check a reference during surgery, but, in a bussiness meeting, where time might be less critical, someone can stop. As I've tried to point out, not everybody is in the same situation you're in.

Even bluetooth? Jabra, you're aware, now manufactures "bluetooth" headsets for the bluetooth un-enabled. So, again, what's the purpose? I cannot be convinced of any other argument.

If you have a need to use a headset on a cell phone, maybe you think the cord running from your ear to the phone is a fashion statement. :-) However, many people find the cord annoying and just one more thing to get tangled up in something.

I know that you're having a very difficult time understanding this but what I said is that Jabra makes such a device that is wireless. It's in this annoyance that Jabra probably made such a device available to us.

Yes, I do have trouble understanding your poor writing, but I'm trying my best. You said Jabra made a Bluetooth headset for non-Bluetooth devices and asked "what's the purpose?" I told you a purpose. If I misinterpreted your point, please forgive my inability to decipher your cryptic writing.

Of course, if you can't be convinced of another point of view, there's not much point in going on, is there?

Actually the point is no longer moot; the topic has dissolved into something totally different and I've been just having fun watching you. Thank you.

My pleasure. As one of my favorite sayings goes, "I'm trying to see things from your point of view, but my head doesn't fit up there." :-D

Steve

Monty Gibson

02-09-2003, 03:03 PM

To reply to this is redundant, but nevertheless for entertainment value:

Yes, it must be my lack of clear reading...

Glad we agree on something.

I could cite more instances, but that would belabor the obvious.

It's astonishing what www.thesaurus.com and www.dictionary.com can do for ones vocabulary. Isn't it? Perhaps I should have offered their services sooner?

Yes, I've read quite a lot and developed an excellent vocabulary by doing that. I still don't think "idiocracy" made sense; "idiocy" would have made more sense in the context you used, I think.

Yes, of course. I am sure you're well read. And of course you don't believe "idiocracy" made "sense." Why would you? You engage in changing topics, words, et cetera into what you perceive them to be or what they should be. My post:

but it would be idiocracy just to have one single computer as the only access point; no matter what the company or business.

Idiocracy= Peculiar state.
Idiocy= Extreme stupidity bordering on amentia.
Amentia= I'll let you research this term, or instead I am assured it's in your vocabulary.

So, you would actually be correct in both instances by using "Idiocracy" or "Idiocy;" however, I knew what I wanted to use and being a well read gentleman you should have known the more in-depth meaning of the word. Instead of referring to what you think I was "meaning to say."

As I had already stated that the travel agency was a "small company", your question about it being a large conglomerate seems foolish. But thank you very much for making the point I've been making these past few posts -- not every business needs VPN.

You don't recognize your own brand of sarcasm? And you have actually been making a point? Do tell; because this has been off topic now for probably 4 or 5 posts or more.

So, contrary to your assertion in a prior post, you can't access any LAN given the setup information. You can only access those LANs that allow a user to dial in.

Agreed. However, I have yet to see one in my area that does not have VPN.

:rofl: For someone constantly saying you don't need to use a Pocket PC with its small screen because you can walk to a LAN-connected terminal, I don't think I'm the one who's off-topic.

Those with bordering amentia need not speak. If you were to read my previous post. Somewhere in this "topic," you will see that I access my VPN only when I am away id est: In my car.

protestations ... digressions.

I'm so proud... :cry:

Your eye rolling is appropriate if you think your writing skills exceed, as you couldn't make the correct choice between "and" and "or". In fact, you couldn't even quote my post properly, making it appear as if you said what I said.

No, I apologize, it was for your sake that I had to clarify the "and" or the "or" in that instance. It read well to me.

...like a BMW or SUV when a Toyota would do, or a Rolex when a Timex would do?

I drive a Jaguar and do wear a watch from Eddie Bauer.

Have you ever spent time on things that others would consider a waste (like responding to these posts, for example? :lol:)?

Actually, this isn't a waste of time. I'm actually having a laugh. But yes, to others this would be considered a great amount of time wasted.

There's another ignorant comment. Infrared has been out much longer than Bluetooth, so it's not surprising that it's more widely deployed where you work. Back when cars were new and horses predominated, you'd probably have called the automobile pointless, too, based on sheer numbers.

Will it ever end? I stated somewhere long, long ago... that the technology is great, but until it is widely available I will wait to upgrade and now to purchase a Bluetooth device is not necessary. That's why it's ridiculous now to purchase such a device since the availability is not "widespread."

Yes, I mentioned speed, because it was something that obviously escaped you when asking "Why?" regarding Bluetooth.

Whoopee. It's faster. Now where can I find one in my building? Um, nowhere except in one gentleman's office and he sits at his desk all day long with his main terminal; why he needs to have a Bluetooth capable printer is beyond me since I don't think he will be printing much from his Pocket PC.

Furthermore, while I agree that Bluetooth isn't readily available in some devices, if you aren't seeing more and more Bluetooth devices, you're living under a rock. Look at all of the new Pocket PCs that are coming equpped with Bluetooth. Look at the Jabra headset you yourself mentioned. There are devices to allow access to LANs and printers via Bluetooth, too.

Again, I do live in corporate America. I don't see these devices readily available. You mentioned up to 300 feet for a different class of Bluetooth. Where are they? I haven't seen them. Now, if you work for Amazon.com in the warehouse or Microsoft I am assured you will find the latest and greatest technology. Good for them. But as for those of us who use Pocket PC's that do or do not have Bluetooth enabled Pocket PC's, I still don't see the advantage when it's not readily available.

If I misinterpreted your point, please forgive my inability to decipher your cryptic writing.

It's okay, I understand, I do forgive you.

My pleasure. As one of my favorite sayings goes, "I'm trying to see things from your point of view, but my head doesn't fit up there." :-D

And alas, you were doing so well the "long and big words" until you had to break down and use this "slang" from the true you instead of the well read, very articulated, other side that you stem and claim to be from. Perhaps you were suffering from the said amentia or the encephalomalacia at this brief moment in time? I see that your avatar is a pig; perhaps you eat a lot of swine, in which case you may not have cooked it throughly and ingested trichinosis which can definitely explain many of the abnormalities in your patterns. Who's to say? Or perhaps since you enjoy engaging in sticking your head up people's rectums you've encountered Escherichia coli and it has entered into your temporal and then frontal lobes causing such a reaction. I would need to perform more test before making a diagnosis; of course, but these would be some of my suggestions to why your amentia, your encephalomalacia, would be plaguing you. Pity.

Steven Cedrone

02-09-2003, 03:44 PM

Well, I think this little "debate" has gone on long enough.....

Thread locked...

Steven Cedrone
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