HP Jornada 570 lives?

[Ed Hansberry]

<a href="http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-929024.html">http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-929024.html</a><br /><br />Jeremiah Owen sent us a link from ZDNet on X-Scale processors for Pocket PC's. June availability for some, and of course more power (everyone give me a "Tim Taylor Grunt") <b><i>and</i></b> longer battery life. But this is what caught my eye...<br /><br />"HP is to release a successor to the Jornada 560, which will have similar specifications to the unannounced 570, but will bear the iPaq brand name and run on a 400MHz PXA250 XScale processor. The device is likely to appear next month, as HP has committed to an XScale Pocket PC by mid-year." So, the 3970 and 570 may yet coexist under the "iPAQ" umbrella? Kewl... <img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif" /><br /><br />Oh yeah, one more thing to keep in mind. Many of us, myself included, associate X-Scale with 400Mhz. It can be but there are also several other speeds. "The new processors using XScale technology will be available in two different lines, the PXA250 and the PXA210. The PXA250 will come in speeds of 200MHz, 300MHz and 400MHz and will be aimed at the handheld market. Clock speeds for the PXA210 will be 133MHz and 200MHz--lower than clock speeds for Intel's StrongARM processors--and will be aimed at entry-level handhelds and mobile phones." So maybe the pricing of a 200MHz X-Scale will allow for sub-$400 new Pocket PC's.

[Timothy Rapson]

The PXA210 is the processor Toshiba originally planned to use for the E310. If it had worked as promised, it would have been a much nicer model. I expect that the Ipaq 2200 to wait on this low cost, low power consumption, reasonable speed chip.
Beyond the basic advances, I believe the new X-Scales offer MMS/SD, CF, Graphics control, and other functions right inside the chip providing smaller size.
The unexpected downside is that they use more power when you ask the 200 MZ main chip to run all the time just to access the MMC slot, whereas you could have an auxilary chip that runs at only 4 MZ controlling the slot as is done on current PPC models.
I would never have predicted this 1 year ago, but Intel may lose this whole round of production as the PPC makers are all now commited to the X-Scales that appear to be far less than they promised to be, while TI, Motorola, and others step into the market for ARMs.

The chips were a great idea, and the Toshiba e310 is a nice PPC, but it is not going as it was expected to at all.

My bet is that this new HP is just an Ipaq with an HP colored case and top flip cover. I just don't see how HP could produce another money losing, market flopping model when they could just sell a money making Ipaq model and boost Ipaq even further.

[fgarcia10]

[quote="My bet is that this new HP is just an Ipaq with an HP colored case and top flip cover. I just don't see how HP could produce another money losing, market flopping model when they could just sell a money making Ipaq model and boost Ipaq even further.[/quote]


I don't know if I ever would see the 57x series at my local CompUSA, and I don't have the market numbers to justified the Jornada as a "market flopping model". I know the Jornada is the second best selling PPC. I guess if I was a Palm user I would see the whole PPC concept as market
flop idea, if we compare market shares.

I don't think Ipaqs would sell more just for the fact that the Jornadas would be out of the market. I think innovation and price will lead sales.
I for one would rather buy a new Toshiba model or the LOOX rather than an Ipaq with its current specifications including the rumored 39XX series.

That is what I think; but I'm just one person. :roll:

[Sven Johannsen]

"HP is to release a successor to the Jornada 560, which will have similar specifications to the unannounced 570, but will bear the iPaq brand name and run on a 400MHz PXA250 XScale processor. The device is likely to appear next month, as HP has committed to an XScale Pocket PC by mid-year.

Damn, and I was all primed to just use my 568 till the wheels fell off. OK, It's back to Mac & Cheese and Tube Steaks.

[atsouch]

My bet is that this new HP is just an Ipaq with an HP colored case and top flip cover. I just don't see how HP could produce another money losing, market flopping model when they could just sell a money making Ipaq model and boost Ipaq even further.

If Microsoft was using Jornadas instead of iPaqs in every event regarding Pocket PCs or .NET mobile features things would be different. HP just needs the iPaq brand name to sell a better engineered device that never was under the spotlights of MS campaigns. Jornadas are not just a colored case and a flip cover. Just ask those that use them. Would they change them with a fancy faster iPaq?

[Ed Hansberry]

If Microsoft was using Jornadas instead of iPaqs in every event regarding Pocket PCs or .NET mobile features things would be different.

This is HP's fault. MS uses iPAQ's so much because until the fall of 2001, you couldn't do WiFi on a Jornada - you either needed a PCMCIA card or later on a CF-II WiFi Card. HP's only support CF-I, and those are fairly recent. And I hear an increasing number of them like the 3870's to use with their cell phones via bluetooth. This allows you to have a memory card onboard (SD) without a dongle sticking out.

And it isn't just MS. When I was at CeBIT in Hannover Germany in March, there was only one - ONE - booth that I saw that was doing something wireless that wasn't using an iPAQ. And that was Palm. Some booths had iPAQ farms demo-ing their stuff.

[Paragon]

I have been thinking about the possibility that the 570 is undead. If you wander around the internet reading peoples comments on the rumored IPaq 3970 a very large majority are saying no way not me. Most users don't mind bulking up for some things but for CF capabilities, even I have been surprised at the numbers. Since HP has been floating around holding show and tell meetings with the corporate type I wonder if they are getting the same kind of feedback and have decided to revisit their decision to drop the 570? A mistake here and they go from having the top two PPCs to having one with the worst basic funtions on the market when you look at what is coming..... such as the Loox, or a couple of different Toshibas. The 3970 doesn't even compare as naked PPC

What do you think?

Dave

[Terry]

I guess we won't know until we know...that's what I think...

I have an IPAQ 3850 (from a sales promo Microsoft ran) and a Jornada 568. Although I started using the IPAQ when I heard the news of the Jornada demise, I keep going back to the Jornada (I like the lid and have more Jornada goodies). I like the spring loaded stylus on the IPAQ better than the PDA Panache stylus I have for my J (I still like the flat 54x stylus in the the lid the best). I like the slightly larger screen on the IPAQ (I now use reading glasses and don't need them with the IPAQ but do with the J). I keep going back to the Jornada. The Loox looks good. I like the tiny Toshiba (I could probably carry it around the office and people would think I had a Palm like most of them). I've also tried a Palm M550 since the Jornada demise news...I keep going back to the Jornada. There aren't any cases I like for the IPAQ. Did you know that an IPAQ sleeve fits around a Jornada 568 (with standard battery and lid removed)? I know the connector is different and the sleeve covers the jog and record buttons...but hey...with the Loox and Toshiba Xs nearby...and the 570 nearly ready for production...

Maybe the same pocket pc thoughts have occured to some of the HP execs.