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Jason Dunn
11-15-2006, 01:00 PM
<p><span>After I finished unpacking the Zune box, it was time to fire it up and get it installed on my laptop, a Fujitsu P7020D. It's not a powerful laptop by any means &ndash; a 1.2 Ghz Pentium M CPU, 1 GB of RAM, and an 80 GB, 4200 RPM hard drive. It's great for traveling though, with its small 10.6&quot; screen and excellent (10 hour) battery life, so it's a logical companion to a digital media player like the Zune. I inserted the Zune CD at 2 PM, and proceeded to have a very frustrating next five hours. What happened? Here we go...</span><br /></p><p><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-01.jpg" /><br /></p><p>I've already done a screenshot-heavy, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.zunethoughts.com/news/show/240/zune-desktop-software-v-1-0-5341-0-visual-walk-through.html">super detailed walkthrough</a> of the Zune Desktop software setup, so in this review I'm only going to include setup screenshots that are interesting or different from my previous Zune-less install. The first thing the software does is check for updates - presumably, checking for a newer version of itself. That's fine, but it took a full two minutes to confirm that there was no update. That's quite a while, though perhaps there were many other people installing the software and the update server was sluggish. But if <a target="_blank" href="http://www.picasa.com">Picasa</a> can check for an update in one second, this software should be able to as well.</p><p> </p><div style="page-break-after: always;"><span style="display: none;"> </span></div><br /><p> </p><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-02.jpg" /> <br /><br />After the update check, I was presented with the end-user license agreement. I gave an audible chuckle when I read the first sentence: <strong>&quot;Here comes the best part of any install: the license agreement. Rock on&quot;</strong>. Nice to see that someone on the Zune team has a sense of humour! It took about four minutes for the install to complete, a far cry from some of the other install horror stories I've heard about. Ex-<a target="_blank" href="http://www.digitalmediathoughts.com">Digital Media Thoughts</a> Contributing Editor James Fee contacted me today over IM to ask if I knew how to really uninstall the Zune Desktop software, because he couldn't get it to work on his desktop PC (it installed fine on his laptop). Ryan Block at Engadget <a target="_blank" href="http://www.zunethoughts.com/news/show/252/engadget-has-sour-experience-with-zune-software-install.html">had some problems as well</a>, so there's clearly some sort of significant issue here.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-03.jpg" /><br /><br />After the install completed, I was prompted to connect my Zune. I did so, and very quickly the software indicated that there was a new firmware update for my Zune, taking it to 1.1. As the screenshot shows, this update adds wireless sharing. It amazes me that, out of the box, the Zune didn't have this feature working. The Zune team really did finish this product after it was too late to get the needed software onto the device!<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-04.jpg" /><br /><br />The update happened fairly quickly - it updated the Zune, rebooted it, and the PC re-connected to it. The entire process took perhaps two minutes. Slick and completely painless. If it's always this fast and easy (very Xbox 360-like) then I hope the Zune team releases one every couple of months with new features and fixes.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-05.jpg" /><br /><br />After the update, I was prompted to give my Zune a name. You have to love the re-invention of the English language (&quot;You're in the social&quot;), but having butchered more than a few words in my time, I shan't throw stones. I like the casual, friendly tone of the entire setup process.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-06.jpg" /><br /><br />This was the ill-fated screen where my decision turned things sound for the next five hours. When it asked me if I wanted to have videos and pictures on my Zune, I thought &quot;Sure, cool!&quot; and checked off the boxes. Yes, it did give me the warning about it taking &quot;more time&quot;, but I thought they must have improved this over the old Windows Media Player 10 process, right? Right? Wrong.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-07.jpg" /><br /><br />After clicking Next on the previous screen, the Zune proceeded to create my library. I should point out that I only had a few albums of music on my laptop, having brought all 70 GB of my music on an 80 GB portable hard drive. I had recently finished &quot;scrubbing&quot; my music library by correcting all bad metadata, scanning and embedding album art into each one, correcting file names and cleaning up the genres. I had a few videos on the hard rive, but I also had all of my photos. All 15,425 of them. When I saw that the Zune Desktop software was crawling through each folder, one by one, I groaned because it wasn't very fast at all. I saw that there was a skip button, so I clicked it.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-08.jpg" /><br /><br />I've never really been warned by software like this before, and since I wanted to try and emulate the normal experience that an end-user would have, I decided to leave it. <br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-09.gif" /><br /><br />The scanning process was fairly intensive, using up between 40% and 75% of my CPU cycles and taking up a good chunk of RAM. I was wishing my laptop had a fast Core Duo 2 processor in it. It took about 5 minutes for this process to complete, and after that I thought I was in the clear. Boy was I wrong. The main Zune software interface loaded, and it looked very much like Windows Media Player 11 with a different skin. I noticed that my laptop was still labouring though, so I looked around for why...<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-12.gif" /><br /><br />My jaw hit the floor when I saw what it was doing: <strong><em>converting (resizing) all 15,450 images from the original resolution down to 320 x 240 resolution!</em></strong> When I had told the setup software that I wanted to include my pictures, I was honestly expecting some sort of intelligent decision such as giving me the last 60 days worth of photos, or further prompting for which folders I wanted to include. I did not expect the software to convert, one by one, over 15,000 images - that's simply insane. The conversion process was incredibly CPU intensive, using up between 70% and 90% of my CPU cycles, and chewing up around 150 MB of RAM. Even on a fast dual CPU system, converting this many photos would take a long time. Still determined to experience the setup as a normal user would, I decided to let it continue, just to see how long it would take. I proceeded to do some email, write this review, and update my sites, all on a very sluggish laptop. A little over four hours later, it was only at 82% complete. I clicked Stop Sync, knowing it was past time to give up.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-12.2.jpg" /><br /><br />Look at that: 3% complete after about 10 minutes. Isn't that depressing?<br /><br />I can hear the Zune product managers screaming <em>&quot;But Jason, who has over 15,000 photos - that's an extreme case scenario we didn't test for!&quot;</em> Yes, that's a lot of photos - but unlike MP3 collections, it's very easy for consumers to rapidly grow their digital photo collection. I <a href="http://www.digitalmediathoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,9740" target="_blank">cull my photos</a> with brutal efficiency (like Stalin going after enemies of the state), and I don't have children yet, so I can easily see a family with kids tacking on 2000 or more photos per year. Let's say that the Zune team tested with half that amount - 7500 photos - why would anyone think that 2 hours of processing was acceptable? This is a badly broken user experience that smacks of a lack of testing, or a poor decision by someone who knew this would happen but thought it was &quot;ok&quot;. A much better solution would be to implement some logic in the software that if there's more than, say, 1000 photos, the software would prompt the user for a more granular approach - offering up a solution like &quot;Put the last 60 days worth of photos on my Zune&quot; or &quot;Allow me to select which photos to include&quot;.<br /><br />After that disaster, I was starting to sour on the Zune experience - I was really hoping that the Zune software wasn't equally flaky in other ways. It came to the part where it was asking me to create a Zune.net account, and I tried to log in with my Passport account that's linked to my Xbox Live account. Not surprisingly, it didn't work. Being from Canada, I was fully expecting to have trouble with this part, and I certainly fault no one on the Zune team: it's only meant to work for people located in the USA. If your Passport is based on another country, you get this rather generic looking answer:<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-13.gif" /><br /><br />Rather than being strictly IP-based, which can be fooled with proxies, the service was probably flagging my Passport account because I have my location to set to Canada. I logged into my Passport account and changed my address to 1 Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA, USA. I tried again...no luck. It's probably tied to the billing address on the account, which is problematic because I'd have to remove the credit cards from my account in order to complete the ruse. Instead, I created a brand new Passport account from scratch, one with no billing information. The Zune.net accounts are tied to Xbox Live accounts, so you can't select a Zune.net name if someone already has it on Xbox Live. This is nice, because it prevents someone with a Zune from taking your gamertag.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-14.gif" /><br /><br />The above is what you see if you try to register a name that's already taken. The auto-generated names are always funny: some of them make sense, because they contain the original word, but <em>UseableHat</em>? Well, it's unique, that's for sure. Since I was pretending to be American in order to get access to a Zune.net account, only one username seemed appropriate...<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-15.gif" /><br /><br /><em><strong>AmericanToday</strong></em> - that's me! If I was based in the USA, and already had a gamertag from Xbox Live, this whole process would have been very painless - so for most Zune buyers, this is a fast process. Each Zune comes with a free 14-day trial of Zune Pass, the $14.99 USD per month unlimited music subscription.<br /><br /><img src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-16.gif" alt="" /><br /><br />I think it's excellent that Microsoft is allowing people to experience the 14 day free Zune Pass, especially since it doesn't require a credit card. Once people give it a try, I think many will choose to continue using it - it's hard to say no to all that music for the price of one CD a month.<br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-17.gif" /><br /><br />The Account Summary page is a easy to use, centralized location for controlling every aspect of your account - including ordering more points, and redeeming prepaid points cards purchased from stores.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-22.gif" /><br /><br />Back to the massive photo sync - I wasn't problem-free yet, because remember 82% of the photos had been resized and put onto the Zune. The first step to fixing the problem was to tell the software to ignore the folders that had my photos in it - I have to treat the Zune software just as gentle as I do Windows Media Player 10/11, because it can't handle loads of data (still!). Next, I had to delete the photos from the library. You'd think that this process would go quickly, but it took almost a full hour to delete all of the re-sized images. I can't figure out why this process is so horribly slow, but it gets worse: removing the images from the Zune also takes a shocking amount of time.<br /><br /><img alt="" src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-21.gif" /><br /><br />I must have stared at the above image for 30 minutes or more - it took the Zune a great deal of time to process all of the image removals. The entire process was giving me a headache - especially when my laptop coughed up a Blue Screen of Death in the middle of all this. The laptop is remarkably stable - I haven't seen a BSOD on it in months, so this was a surprise. It crashed so hard there was no record of it in the system logs.<br /><br /><img src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/zt/2006/jd-zunereview-part2-20.gif" alt="" /><br /><br />Lastly, I had to change the auto-sync playlist to tell it to only sync &quot;All Music&quot;, not &quot;All Pictures&quot; or &quot;All Videos&quot;. The playlist functionality here is powerful, but it's not very intuitive. I could create an Auto Playlist that would sync 500 of my photos, but there's no criteria for &quot;most recent&quot; for instance. It's not something most people would understand - decisions like how many photos and how many videos are synchronized should be made during the initial setup.<br /><br />At around 8pm, nearly six hours after I had started the setup, I finally had the Zune desktop software, and the Zune itself, back to a state that I could actually work with it. This goes without saying by this point, but it's completely unacceptable that:<br /><br />1) The Zune software tried to import 15,000+ photos<br />2) The Zune software is so slow at deleting photos or trying to recover from the initial import<br />3) The Zune itself is so slow at deleting items from the internal hard drive<em><br /></em><br />Will this happen to everyone who buys a Zune? No, certainly not to this extent - but I'm sure there are a lot of early adopter types like myself, buying Zunes, that will have 5000+ photos - and if it takes then even 1/3rd as long as me to recover from a disaster like this, I'm sure they'll be just as frustrated as I was<em>.</em> Ultimately, this part of the process was just as bad as using my Zen Vision:M with Windows Media Player 10, and that's not a good thing. The goal of the Zune team is supposedly to make a better player, and experience, by controlling the entire process from end to end. They have a long way to go - Windows Media Player 11 needs more than a new skin and a few icons to be as fast and simple as it needs to be.<br /><em><br /></em>Up next: using the Zune for photos, audio, and video. I'm in meetings all day on the 15th, so part three will probably not be published until late on the 16th.<br /><em><br />Jason Dunn owns and operates <a href="http://www.thoughtsmedia.com" target="_blank">Thoughts Media Inc.</a>, a company dedicated to creating the best in online communities. He enjoys mobile devices, digital media content creation/editing, and pretty much all technology. He lives in Calgary, Alberta, Canada with his lovely wife, and his sometimes obedient dog. And yes, he really is writing this at 1:49 AM.<br /></em>

Paul Martin
11-15-2006, 03:42 PM
Thanks, again, Jason. I think the surprising frustration were I to install is having to use a unique username from the list and having it tied in to the xbox 360. For those already there, cool, no problems. I don't have an xbox and have no plans at this point, so it's useless for me. On my Windows Media device, I can call it whatever I want. Now I'm giong to have to work to find a unique username. Seems kind of a pain. I did notice in your desktop setup screenshot listing, a clip about not having an offensive username. It seemed a little big-brotherish to tell you what you could and couldn't name your device, but now it makes more sense because you're utilizing the xbox live stuff. Still, it's a negative for me.

micaels
11-15-2006, 04:16 PM
Looks really cool. Personally I can't wait to try one:) Do you know if I purchase a US model would it install on my pc with swedish xp home or is it tied to the english language?

Dyvim
11-15-2006, 04:21 PM
I did notice in your desktop setup screenshot listing, a clip about not having an offensive username. It seemed a little big-brotherish to tell you what you could and couldn't name your device

Aside from the whole Xbox thing, seeing as how other Zune owners can "see" your Zune by its name if you have wireless enabled, I can see why they bar offensive usernames. You might not want your child to see someone's Zune named with the F-word or whatever while he's trying out the WiFi feature to see who's around. Kind of like how they try to bar you from using offensive words in vanity plates for cars.

canux
11-15-2006, 04:23 PM
Wow...looks like one may need a bit of time to get this thing in operation. That's definately going to cause a few product returns. Let's hope they improve the set-up experience before Christmas.

As a current iPod user, I use my device strictly for listening to music during my long commute each day. To me, battery life and device dimensions/weight are 1 and 1A. I look forward to your initial impressions on battery life. It's amazing in this day and age that we can't tackle this beast...the current solution is to lower the power required for our mobile products, not improve the battery technology.

Great job so far...looking forward to the rest.

Darius Wey
11-15-2006, 04:35 PM
I think the surprising frustration were I to install is having to use a unique username from the list and having it tied in to the xbox 360.

To my understanding (Jason, correct me if I'm wrong), the unique Zune tags only apply if you link your Zune to a Zune.net account. If you keep your Zune "offline", you can name it whatever you want, even if someone else is using it (it's a bit like "offline" gamertags on the Xbox 360). Well, that's the impression I got from this page (http://www.zune.net/en-us/support/howto/personalize/namezune.htm).

Actually, Microsoft has done a really poor job informing the public how Zune.net accounts and Zune tags work. Considering the region-specific issues that Jason has encountered, I have every intention of keeping my Zune "offline" when I set it up. I'm a little concerned that once you link your Zune to a Zune.net account, you won't be able to wipe that account off the Zune and link it to another. I want to have my Xbox Live and Zune.net accounts all under one roof, but if my concern is indeed true, then keeping it "offline" is my only option - until the Zune is officially released in Australia.

Jason, you should see if you can get some clarification on this issue when you meet Microsoft today. It would be extremely lame if Microsoft made Zune and Zune.net account linking irreversible.

Darius Wey
11-15-2006, 04:48 PM
Looks really cool. Personally I can't wait to try one:) Do you know if I purchase a US model would it install on my pc with swedish xp home or is it tied to the english language?

Good question. Welcome to Zune Thoughts.

Your best bet would be to download the software (http://www.zune.net/en-us/meetzune/software.htm) (yes, it's freely available :) ) and attempt to install it on your computer. If it installs, you should have no problems.

Darius Wey
11-15-2006, 04:51 PM
Welcome to Zune Thoughts.

It's amazing in this day and age that we can't tackle this beast...the current solution is to lower the power required for our mobile products, not improve the battery technology.

Couldn't agree more. Isn't it sad how there's all this research into new fuel cells and what not, yet none of them ever turn from concept into product? ;)

Tim Williamson
11-15-2006, 05:15 PM
Wow so it converted your pictures then added the down-sized pictures to your library?! That's insane! Why don't they just follow Apple's lead and just copy the resized pics to the device, but not have them added to the library.

Can't wait to see the interface review!

Paul Martin
11-15-2006, 07:00 PM
To my understanding (Jason, correct me if I'm wrong), the unique Zune tags only apply if you link your Zune to a Zune.net account. If you keep your Zune "offline".... It would be extremely lame if Microsoft made Zune and Zune.net account linking irreversible.

I guess I misunderstood. I hope! I'd like to keep mine offline, or at least the choice to do so.

<edit>Move along here...nothing to see</edit> BTW, Darius...you're doing a great job as news editor. :D

kiwi
11-15-2006, 07:09 PM
nice packaging... :)

So I Finally DL'd some movies (Snowboard ones) to my Ipod video.. to watch in the gym. I fear the screen will be too small to really watch it..
I've watched movies on my PPC and PSP before and the screens are watchable.

How does the Zune compare?

I will be looking forward to an Ipod DAP with a larger screen.

b

Darius Wey
11-15-2006, 07:15 PM
BTW, Darius....repeat after me, ZuneThoughts....ZuneThoughts. I know many of us have lots of crossover in the ThoughtsMedia Empire. :D

I... um, uh... I'm going to edit my welcomes before my head explodes. :o

Paul Martin
11-15-2006, 07:33 PM
Did a little editing myself. :p Keep up the good work, Darius! BTW, has the Zune made it there or is it just a US release at this point?

gshocker
11-15-2006, 08:00 PM
Thanks for the great info.. This certainly gives anyone looking into a Zune a good article to check out. Much more detail than many others that I have seen so far. Keep up the good work.. So far I am loving mine.

mrozema
11-15-2006, 09:38 PM
I set up the Zune software yesterday and attempted to add my music collection. I've got somewhere around 30GB of MP3s and it took at least a couple hours during the afternoon to add it all. That amount of time just seemed ridiculas. And it actually bogged down my system too. :rolleyes:

Aaron Roma
11-15-2006, 10:16 PM
I can clear up a little bit of the confusion concerning the Zune Tag. There are really two different names involved here. (Jason might have created a slight bit of confusion from his screenshots when he actually tried to use the same name, Kensai, for both.) First you have to give your Zune a name. This name can be whatever you want; it does not have to be unique. This is the name other Zune users will see when they search for nearby Zunes. This would be the equivalent of your computer's name, or the device name on your PocketPC. The other, unrelated name, is your Zune Tag. This is basically your account name for the Zune Marketplace. (Think of it as your login to Zune Marketplace.) This is where your Microsoft Points are stored. This Zune Tag is really synonymous with the Xbox Gamer Tags. So, yes, this name does have to be unique not only to Zune Marketplace, but also to Xbox Live. Again, consider the Zune Tag as your login or user id for the Zune Marketplace.

Does that make a little more sense?

Also, I plan on posting about my own first experience with the Zune very soon. (This weekend at the latest.) Fortunately, my experience went much better than Jason's.

Paul Martin
11-15-2006, 11:21 PM
Does that make a little more sense?

Nope, makes a LOT more sense! Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't realize there were 2 "names". Thanks!

Darius Wey
11-16-2006, 02:16 AM
Did a little editing myself. :p Keep up the good work, Darius! BTW, has the Zune made it there or is it just a US release at this point?

Unfortunately, it's just a US release at this point.

Darius Wey
11-16-2006, 02:18 AM
Does that make a little more sense?

Good explanation. Although the question remains: can you keep your Zune offline (that is, set up a Zune without a Zune.net account / Passport)? I would have to think so, since there are bound to be Zune users without an internet connection.

mcsouth
11-16-2006, 02:54 AM
Sounds like it was definitely not a Zen-like experience with your Zune? ( the install, at least?)

I must admit that this is discouraging - after all of the build-up to this launch, I really was expecting a better "initial experience". Given that you are a pretty experience person with this type of gadgetry, I hate to think of what the average consumer would think after the first five hours of their experience going this way. As someone else mentioned, this has the potential to drive some product returns due to dissatisfaction "out of the box".

This will probably sound like a dumb question, but humour me please, since I have never purchased a large capacity MP3 player in the past. Does the software assume that you will want your entire music collection installed? What does it pick as the default conversion rate? If you have 100GB of WMA lossless music, it is obviously going to have to downsample it - is the software going to give you any choices of bitrate, or ask you to choose which music to sync if it all can't fit?

Maybe sounds foolish, but I don't WANT all the music on my PC on my MP3 player - that is because it is the family jukebox - my music, my wife's music, my kid's music - it is all on my PC. I don't need my daughter's kiddy pop music, or my son's head-banging music. Why can't I choose what to sync?

I agree with you about the movies and pictures as well. I just checked My Pictures folder, and there are 8GB/4500+ photos there. I wouldn't need or want all of them there - I would want to select the pictures to sync, or maybe set up a dedicated folder to sync to, much like the PocketPC/ActiveSync software does. Video? 150+ files for over 18GB - again, I would not want all of them installed. Since most of them are in Divx format, maybe the Zune software would ignore them? (or maybe worse yet, it would attempt to reencode them all!)

Maybe this is the way all of the HD-based MP3 players act, but I personally don't care for it. Jason, I hate to say this, but this article has basically turned me off from being interested in the Zune to deciding that I maybe need to sit back and wait. I have enough frustration in my day to day job, without inflicting any more on myself with an ill-conceived install process.....

Aaron Roma
11-16-2006, 04:49 AM
Although the question remains: can you keep your Zune offline (that is, set up a Zune without a Zune.net account / Passport)?

I'm 99% sure you can, but if I get a chance tomorow, I'll test it. I'll reset my Zune and connect it to an offline PC and see what happens.

This will probably sound like a dumb question, but humour me please, since I have never purchased a large capacity MP3 player in the past. Does the software assume that you will want your entire music collection installed?

You do have the option when you install to NOT automatically scan and import all music (or video, or pictures) on your hard drive. You can then selectively import into the library (in the Zune software, you add a folder at a time, in iTunes, a single item or entire folder).

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Jason: I know you're not an iPod user, but it might be a worthwhile comparison to install iTunes and run the same import on your music and photo libraries to compare the time and process.

Janak Parekh
11-16-2006, 06:00 AM
Jason: I know you're not an iPod user, but it might be a worthwhile comparison to install iTunes and run the same import on your music and photo libraries to compare the time and process. I talked to Jason about this; the problem is, unless you have an iPod, it won't touch your photos. The photo transfer options only appear under a tab when you select the iPod in the left column in iTunes.

We did observe that it does tell you the counts and whatnot up front, making it easier to choose out of the box.

--janak

ucfgrad93
11-16-2006, 03:37 PM
Jason: I know you're not an iPod user, but it might be a worthwhile comparison to install iTunes and run the same import on your music and photo libraries to compare the time and process.

Jason, seeing how you just dumped a fortune to come to the states and get several zunes, perhaps you could spring for an iPod and do a comparison of the two. I'd love to see a head-to-head review from you.

You can always sell the iPod afterwards. ;)