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Originally Posted by mangochutneyman

Get a diff browser. You can do this on xiino w/o having to reload fyi... Like I said, typical post around here...

I agree with you that most tasks on Windows Mobile can also be done on Palm. However, to do more advanced tasks on Palm you often have to jump through more hoops and its less convenient than on Windows Mobile because of the way the OS was structured for simple tasks (which I agree it is better at). More often you'll have to buy 3rd party software or possible have fewer options (e.g. streaming wifi files)

Originally Posted by twalk

Because they control both the OS & hardware production, their plan is to force the cost of production down to the point where a S60 phone can be given away for free with contract. At that point (less than 3 years down the road), all the cell phones they make would be S60+.

Well actually most series 60 that are a year or older are free after 1yr contract. The new 3230 might even be free with contract, it was meant to be low cost. I think one of the problems with s60 is that its very slow to update the OS, because it has to go throught the carriers. S60 doesn't have as many applications as WM, syncing isn't very good. Also non-nokia s60 phones usually just aren't very good (my x800 looks good at least), and nokia doesn't offer a wide variety of form factors for s60. On the other hand, with windows mobile, many devices never reach many carriers and reach market quickly, but at high prices (imate ijam/whatever the rebranded versions are called).

Originally Posted by palm guy, forgot his name

In addtion PalmSource has its Feature phone product to compete with the likes of Nokia's Series 40 etc which btw will be a HUGE market, much larger than high end smartphones.

That is the death of Palm as it is today, because its not even close to the full power of palm or its original purpose. And why would people buy those phones when they come out (1 year or 2 down the line), when Nokia (and almost all other phone manufacturers) have been doing the same thing for years?

Originally Posted by Jereboam

This is where we as customers will suffer, because the service providers as we have already seen will insist that the phones are locked, bound and otherwise restricted to their networks and related services - that means restricted multimedia, limited third party software and who knows? These things are all revenue streams for the providers. It's good business.

Actually, you've pointed out a problem that is (currently) larger for windows mobile/palm than for S60. To my knowledge, there's never been multimedia/third-party software locks on a series 60 phone, I expect the capabilities exist though (nokia does block using IR/BT to send certain files, like midi but many other channels exist, most phones don't even accept OBEX file transfers). However, it is not different for WM, there are several WM Smartphones (depends on carrier) with application locks. Palm has bluetooth locks on the Treo 650 for Sprint i believe, but its hacked i think.