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I would be interested to know how many P900/P910s or Nokia 9500/9700s they sold - that would be a reasonable comparison against WM and POS devices. I'm bettting the number is substantially lower. Anyone got the numbers?
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No, but you are exactly right. Saying Nokia sold 6M phones is a meaningless number when talking about smartphones. The vast majority are the freebies or sub $50 phones after rebates, not the high powered phones with bluetooth, cameras, email support, the ability to install third party apps, a non-WAP-only browser, etc. |
No they are not, Nokia in Europe ships around 2 million cellphones per quarter, around half those ship with series 60 or higher, series 60 is a FULL SMARTPHONE OS.
Its a cluttered mess compared with PPCs and a small mess compared to win mobile smartphones but it still is a full smartphone OS. |
Uhhh, I don't think that many people here know how many cell phones are shipped. In Q1 2005 alone, Nokia alone shipped well over 50M cell phones, nearly all (95%+) being Series 40 or greater.
And that wasn't even a good quarter for them...
While S40 might not sound like any big shakes around here, what do you actually think is killing Palm sales? PPC? Don't make me laugh...
PalmOS was successful because it was cheap, portable, could do PIM well, and could do a few other things decently, like play games.
S40 devices (and other phones at that level) can do all that "good enough" while also being more portable, a cell phone, and free after contract.
If S40 can put a big hurt on PalmOS, you'd be very unwise to think that S60 couldn't do the same to WM. Q1 2005, Nokia sold about 5.5M S60+ phones, and is on target to sell 4X as many S60 phones this year compared to all WM devices put together sold this year.
However that's small peanuts compared to Nokia's real plans. Because they control both the OS & hardware production, their plan is to force the cost of production down to the point where a S60 phone can be given away for free with contract. At that point (less than 3 years down the road), all the cell phones they make would be S60+.
That would be, at that time, roughly 250M some S60+ cell phones sold by Nokia per year. (That's not counting all the others selling Symbian phones.)
(Moto/Samsung/HP/Dell/etc don't have even close to that same kind of incentive to push WM.)
Despite that huge number, many analysts still feel that Symbian will end up in 2nd place to Linux, because of the huge number of Chinese companies that are looking to flood the market with Linux phones.
Todd